Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 5th Jul 2011 22:12 UTC
Microsoft "One of Microsoft's hottest new profit centers is a smartphone platform you've definitely heard of: Android. Google's Linux-based mobile operating system is a favorite target for Microsoft's patent attorneys, who are suing numerous Android vendors and just today announced that another manufacturer has agreed to write checks to Microsoft every time it ships an Android device. Microsoft's latest target is Wistron Corp., which has signed a patent agreement 'that provides broad coverage under Microsoft's patent portfolio for Wistron's tablets, mobile phones, e-readers and other consumer devices running the Android or Chrome platform', Microsoft announced." That's the reality we live in, folks. This is at least as criminal - if not more so - than Microsoft's monopoly abuse late last century. After the Nortel crap, it's completely left the black helicopter camp for me: Microsoft, Apple, and several others are working together to fight Android the only way they know how: with underhand mafia tactics. Absolutely sickening. Hey Anonymous, are you listening? YES I WENT THERE.
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RE[6]: Patents are patents
by Not2Sure on Wed 6th Jul 2011 10:31 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Patents are patents"
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Microsoft are claiming, without any proof, ownership rights over some of the mathematics concepts that Android uses. Microsoft is reportedly charging more for this tenuous claim of ownership than the entire cost of WP7 to OEMs. Most jurisdictions of the world (which is the marketplace for Android) hold that mathematical ideas cannot be owned in this way.

IMO it is extortion, pure and simple.

Ok and the the documents where Microsoft make this claim without proof is? Oh, I see it's only in your head so you can't provide a link. Maybe you should patent it.

Also, you cannot patent mathematics in the US either. Pure algorithms are not patentable in the US where the machine-or-transformation test is still the rule.

Finally the cost of wp7 licenses to OEMs far exceeds the indemnification contracts that are rumored to have seen the light of day. Again, I'm sure you're commenting about something you read from someone who knew who someone who heard that....

Some pundits argue that the total revenue to MS from indemnifcation grants to Android manufacturers combined exceeds total revenue from WP7 licensees but that is directly related to the number of units involved. It's usually done so in a smear campaign to paint Microsoft as more interested in litigation than software development for WP7.

IMO is right. Your opinion. And I'm glad it's worth about exactly what someone is willing to pay for it.

Please let me know when one of these threats from Microsoft (which is a fundamental element in any prosecution of extortion in most US states "pure and simple") ever materializes.

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RE[7]: Patents are patents
by lemur2 on Wed 6th Jul 2011 11:56 in reply to "RE[6]: Patents are patents"
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Ok and the the documents where Microsoft make this claim without proof is?


"Microsoft patent division taking cash from at least 5 Android vendors"

Microsoft did not create any part of Android. Not one single line of the code.

Microsoft offer no proof whatsoever that they have any claim at all over said Android vendors. All Microsoft offer is threats of lawsuit.


Edited 2011-07-06 11:59 UTC

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RE[8]: Patents are patents
by Tractor on Wed 6th Jul 2011 12:37 in reply to "RE[7]: Patents are patents"
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Indeed, the real issue here is that Microsoft does not even need to disclose anything to extort money : just the threat of going to litigation is enough.

The small company know that, even if they are in their own right, fighting will cost them so much, and risks are so high, that the only sensible to do is to settle. It has nothing to do with any patent being valid : the prosecution is so complex and the patent system so badly broken in US (anyone remembering RIM 600 millions USD settlement on a patent claim broad enough to attack the SMS ?) that no one can actually guarantee they will win. The only thing you can do is plan to fight, and how much resources you can afford in this fight. If you know you can't draft enough forces, you'll lose, or die before the end of the fight. End of story.

I agree this is mostly because the US patent system is broken, but just saying that abusing a broken system is "good" is not my opinion either ! Everybody on Earth has a responsibility, and choose by his/her actions to make the world a worse or better place. I could just go and kill the grand ma on the other side of the street and steal her wallet without any risk for me, but for some reason i wouldn't do it. And no, this is not "only" because of the police.

Just abusing a situation because you can is not good reason enough. Not for normal and honest citizens. Now, for crooks and villains, yes, this is good reason enough. Now, choose your side.

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