Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 11th Jul 2011 21:34 UTC, submitted by sb56637
Legal Blah blah Apple whines about a bunch of software patents again. Go cry in a corner, Jobs. Either find a strategy that counters the rise of Android, or just suck it up and be a man about it. Oh, HTC is the target this time around. Again. Whatever.
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RE: Find a strategy
by JAlexoid on Mon 11th Jul 2011 23:36 UTC in reply to "Find a strategy"
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1) If they don't feel threatened, why are they fighting with HTC? Suing you competitors is a sign of weakness. Though I can understand the trade dress lawsuit against Samsung.

2) Are you a shareholder? Who the *** cares about how much Apple makes. It's great that they make more off their customers. That means they have a good business. Nothing else. Retire that argument, it's useless...

3) And yet Android results in 11% more than iPhone still... And it's not falling.

They are whiners because when they get hit with patent infringement lawsuits, you can't stop hearing how bad the patents are. But when it comes to their own...

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RE[2]: Find a strategy
by Soulbender on Mon 11th Jul 2011 23:51 in reply to "RE: Find a strategy"
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They are whiners because when they get hit with patent infringement lawsuits, you can't stop hearing how bad the patents are. But when it comes to their own...


In all fairness, this kind of attitude is not unique to Apple. "Government intervention is bad....unless it favors my company then it is for the good of everyone", "Regulation is bad....unless it favors my company then it's for the good of everyone" etc etc etc.

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RE[3]: Find a strategy
by testman on Tue 12th Jul 2011 00:03 in reply to "RE[2]: Find a strategy"
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2007-10-15

Calls for objectivity fall on deaf ears here.

For some, their preferred provider of products is almost like family. Attacks against Microsoft/Google/Apple/IBM is like an attack towards a family member and receives an appropriately biased, aggressive response (albeit from the safety of an anonymous blog like OSNews).

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RE[3]: Find a strategy
by danger_nakamura on Tue 12th Jul 2011 04:22 in reply to "RE[2]: Find a strategy"
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2011-06-21

Whenever I read Apple related articles, especially on OSNews, I start to wonder about the attitude towards Apple, why things "seem worse" when its Apple at the wheel. Your point is spot-on... it is rare that a corporation does not take the stance of whatever is good for "me" is good. Actually, publicly traded companies may have an obligation towards that attitude. So why does it seem worse to people when it's Apple?

I'm guessing that, like with most things, it's a combination of factors. I think that part has to due with the image that the company projected at the beginning and for a while. If you take that image statement at face value (silly, yes, but not unfair) than there actions of late seem more than just hypocritical, they take on the aspect of betrayal.

I think that there is also the "hipster" stereotypes that have become associated with the brand: happy, multi-ethnic plastic looking people advertising type of shit... black turtleneck, Starbucks trolling pretentious types prefering the brand. If you belong to such a group that is, of course, OK - but these types of things do make many people angry, for various different reasons. I think that some of this carries through to the brand*.

Finally, I think that a lot of the policy decisions over the last couple of years have been poor ones and even worse when measured from a PR perspective. I won't say that they're setting the bar, but they are certainly partaking in their fair share of loathesomeness. It gets to their point where, nice product or not, consumer culture or not, you begin to want these guys to fail on general principle. Maybe others are far more evil and far less visible - I can only say point them out to me and I'll condemn their actions as well.

Interestingly, all of these positions have some validity in a discussion of principles. But I agree with you that it becomes silly to come to expect anything better of a corporation. And by that, I do not intend to advocate a position of resignation and especially not endorsement. Merely expectation - it should not be all shocking that Apple does the same hypocritical, antisocial and morally-objectionable-but-technically-legal things that coprorations are famous for.

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* On a side point and BTW- people that use an Apple computer or device and do not fit one of these stereotypes really ought to chill out when these points get brought up. The fact that you do not belong to the subset that obviously must exist in some capacity does nothing to invalidate the association or image that the Apple brand has picked up like herpes. Get out the Venn diagrams if you require help with this concept. And in this case, I have seen the types of people described with Apple computers in Starbucks. I know that they exist. I also know plenty of people that use an Apple computer and don't fit the bill. I tease them pretty badly about it all - especially when they ask me to fix the dman thing.

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RE[3]: Find a strategy
by JAlexoid on Tue 12th Jul 2011 20:45 in reply to "RE[2]: Find a strategy"
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2009-05-19

Agreed! All corporations, and also people, are whiners and hypocrites. I don't really see a lot of people admitting their hypocrisy though...

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RE[2]: Find a strategy
by rhavyn on Tue 12th Jul 2011 15:16 in reply to "RE: Find a strategy"
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1) If they don't feel threatened, why are they fighting with HTC? Suing you competitors is a sign of weakness. Though I can understand the trade dress lawsuit against Samsung.


Do you believe that competing is a sign of weakness? Do you think HTC wouldn't be filing lawsuits against Apple if they felt it would help their business? Anyone who thinks that filing lawsuits isn't just another part of business isn't living in reality. This is how things have been done for 100s of years.

2) Are you a shareholder? Who the *** cares about how much Apple makes. It's great that they make more off their customers. That means they have a good business. Nothing else. Retire that argument, it's useless...


If Thom wants to talk about successful competition then pointing out that Apple is the most profitable cell phone company in the world is hugely important. How do you propose we measure the success of a business, by taking a poll?

3) And yet Android results in 11% more than iPhone still... And it's not falling.


Which is irrelevant as to whether or not Apple is successfully competing. By any rational measure they are extremely successful in the cell phone business.

They are whiners because when they get hit with patent infringement lawsuits, you can't stop hearing how bad the patents are. But when it comes to their own...


So this is all a matter of you being butthurt because Apple doesn't say exactly what you want them to say. And, honestly, I see no real hypocrisy in complaining about what you see as bad patents even if you support patents in general, which is what I believe you mostly hear from Apple. The fact that you believe Apple's patents are also bad still doesn't make they hypocrites.

Really, it'd be a lot easier if someone put up a "we hate business" banner somewhere on this site so that it's clear we're not even trying to have a rational discussion.

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RE[3]: Find a strategy
by JAlexoid on Tue 12th Jul 2011 21:06 in reply to "RE[2]: Find a strategy"
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2009-05-19

#1 Where is the lawsuit against everyone else? You know, since it helps in competing... When you're not sure what to throw at your competitor, you load up the lawyer catapult.

#2 - He didn't even mention competing. So I reiterate my point - retire that argument because it's irrelevant. When we'll be talking earnings calls and profits, then be my guest and use that argument.

#3 - Who said they are not competing? Didn't I say that they are running a very good business? Or the pseudo-religious anger blinded you to see only the criticism?

Thank you for proving my point from another post - all people are hypocrites, but some have convinced themselves that they are not.

I don't hate business. I hate corporations, just because at the end of the day you can't really blame them for anything bad they do. Corporations are the epitome of communal responsibility - no one is really responsible for anything. Thankfully not all businesses are corporations.

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