Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 12th Jul 2011 20:47 UTC
Legal Tell 'm like it is, HTC. "HTC is disappointed at Apple's constant attempts at litigations instead of competing fairly in the market," said HTC general counsel Grace Lei in a statement, "HTC strongly denies all infringement claims raised by Apple in the past and present and reiterates our determination and commitment to protect our intellectual property rights."
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do you mind if I compete with osnews?
by kristoph on Tue 12th Jul 2011 21:51 UTC
kristoph
Member since:
2006-01-01

I'll call my site opsnews.com. I'll make it look a bit different then OSnews but not too different to make the transition easier for people.

Also, while I am at it, I'll copy your articles too (though I will change some words of course) because I am too lazy to come up with my own stuff and everything you write about is pretty obvious, right?

Finally, to make sure we compete fairly 'in the market' I'll make sure to tell all your advertisers (our mutual customers) that my site is just like OSnews but advertising on my site is cheaper.

Your going to be totally cool with all that I am sure, right?

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Edited 2011-07-12 21:56 UTC

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Jennimc Member since:
2011-06-22

Thom's not a hypocrite so I know he'd be cool with it.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Go ahead. The internet will recognise your scam pretty quickly. Not only will you always be behind with your "news", people will see you for the scammer that you are and ignore your site anyway. Remember, most people read OSNews not because of my nonsense, but because of the comments - which you won't have because people know you're a scammer.

I know you think you are clever and have me backed into a corner, but sorry kiddo, you haven't. People have actually regularly tried to do what you are proposing, and what a surprise, they don't ever succeed.

Oh, and before I go - I guess this means you are okay with HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola, Sony Ericsson and Google suing the crap out of Apple since Apple copied the Android notification system verbatim, right? I guess you are also okay with the countless pre-iOS mobile application stores suing the crap out of Apple right? And is Palm free to sue the crap out of Apple for stealing countless things from PalmOS (as a heavy PalmOS user, iOS almost feels like a 1:1 copy).

You want me to go on, or do you want me to save you the embarrassment?

Edited 2011-07-12 22:09 UTC

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Jennimc Member since:
2011-06-22

Just to make sure I understand you Thom... it's a scam when someone copies from osnews... but not a scam when people copy Apple?

For the record copying an idea to get things done is not the same as copying the product itself. Notifications is a idea to get things done. The execution on how its done if copied can be litigated if its a genuine copy.

If Apple copied Google's notification then yes Apple should be sued.... though not by HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola or Sony Ericsson (what case do you believe any of these companies have against Apple?) but by Google. I'm not familiar enough with Google's implementation nor Apple's to say if copying did occur and because Apple's implementation isn't yet released... neither do you.

The application store is similar in that its an idea to get things done. Apple didn't copy any other mobile application store so I'm going to assume that you're confused about what's able to be protected under patent and what's not.

The other items you elude to that Apple supposedly copied from Palm require more explanation before a response can be given. But yes, if Apple copied the implementation then absolutely, Apple should be sued. That nobody has sued Apple thus far over these apparent issues says that they in fact did not copy them rather than Palm having a generous philosophy as it sounds like you believe.

I stuck up for you... I said you weren't a hypocrite. I'd hate to be wrong about that.

Edited 2011-07-12 22:25 UTC

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jack_perry Member since:
2005-07-06

And is Palm free to sue the crap out of Apple for stealing countless things from PalmOS (as a heavy PalmOS user, iOS almost feels like a 1:1 copy).

I have no intention of getting into your bigger fight, but I use both PalmOS & iOS regularly, and I don't think they're very similar at all.

Speaking of PalmOS and patents, though: I'm curious whether anyone knows that the successful Xerox lawsuit against Graffiti was based on a software patent or a hardware patent? Or is that a difficult gray area?

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kristoph Member since:
2006-01-01

You see your already getting defensive by even the prospect of a copy of OSNews and here you are spouting off about how it's awful that other companies are defensive about the copies of their ideas/inventions. Like you these companies are defensive and their reacting to it.

You might argue something is obvious but I might disagree. This is what this is about really, two groups of individuals disagreeing about what is unique and what is obvious. (Just with proverbial nuclear weapons.)

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PS. You should know that copying OSNews by automatically polling your servers and scraping your content would not actually be that hard and some basic grayhat SEO would likely make that content more authoritative then your original content (in effect making your original content look like the scamming copy) thereby depriving you of organic traffic.

What keeps people from doing that (other than a profit motive and a general respect for OSnews and you as an editor) is the awareness that you have copyright law on your side and you could make life difficult for the copier through legal avenues.

Or are you really saying that you would never use a lawyer (and hence copyright laws) to defend your intellectual rights.

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

kristoph,

"I'll call my site opsnews.com. I'll make it look a bit different then OSnews but not too different to make the transition easier for people."


Go right ahead, everyone should be *entitled* to make their own website on their own dime and they should be *entitled* to say whatever they want, IMHO.

Please note that this is completely different from copyright infringement and deception however, those are bad...


A site that IS confusing (I myself ended up there by accident) is www.osnews.co, though I doubt there was malicious intent.

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Jennimc Member since:
2011-06-22

Creating a site with the goal of building off of another companies hard work or brand is what's at issue here. According to Thom, a person would be in the wrong if they copied OS News however, a company is in the right if they copy Apple... or any company but however he seems to make a point that Apple's hardware and software patents ought not be protected.

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

I'll call my site opsnews.com. I'll make it look a bit different then OSnews but not too different to make the transition easier for people.


Yeah, if you make a clone of this site, but leave out all these stupid f**king patent articles, I'll go to your site instead of this one.

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rob_mx Member since:
2005-08-04

Your example seems to be copyright infringement with the purpose of mislead the user. Which is bad.

If you want to compare patents to copyright infringements, one example could be: OSNews writes an article reviewing a specific OS and then complaining later when another site writes a completely different review about the same OS. There is no copy at all, the article just have the same topic and might arrive to the same conclusion. Would it be fair for readers and/or writers disallowing writing articles about the same OS? I don't think so.

Edit: tried to explain a little better (sorry for my english)

Edited 2011-07-13 00:33 UTC

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kristoph Member since:
2006-01-01

Your example seems to be copyright infringement with the purpose of mislead the user. Which is unfair.


The case between Apple and Samsung is basically all about what is and what is not protected by copyright and if it misleads the user so I do think it's fair.

I do appreciate that the HTC/Apple case is about patents the value of which is debatable.

I am attempting to demonstrate that reasonable people can disagree on the merit of any particular piece of intellectual property.

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Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

I'll call my site opsnews.com. I'll make it look a bit different then OSnews but not too different to make the transition easier for people.

Also, while I am at it, I'll copy your articles too (though I will change some words of course) because I am too lazy to come up with my own stuff and everything you write about is pretty obvious, right?

Finally, to make sure we compete fairly 'in the market' I'll make sure to tell all your advertisers (our mutual customers) that my site is just like OSnews but advertising on my site is cheaper.

Your going to be totally cool with all that I am sure, right?

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The idea of having a news site about OS's and other related stuff is free to use. The look and feel would be lame to steal but you are free to.
But copying articles is against copyright. And anti software patent people find copyrights to be good. They are even in favor of having your code copyrighted.
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