Linked by David Adams on Wed 17th Aug 2011 17:46 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Ars Technica is reporting that US Retailer Best Buy has been able to sell less than 10% of the TouchPad tablets that it ordered from HP, and now wants HP to take them back. Similarly, deal-a-day site Woot offered TouchPads at a very aggressive price, and only managed to sell 612 of them. This is for a site that often sells out goofy tech widgets in hours. When the TouchPad was gearing up for release, there seemed to be a fair amount of interest among geeks. Is it just that it hasn't resonated the same way with the general public, or have people just been disappointed once they've put their hands on one?
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RE[3]: Comment by kovacm
by leos on Wed 17th Aug 2011 18:47 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by kovacm"
leos
Member since:
2005-09-21

It's remarkable how similar all this sounds to the earlier days of Android on phones. Back then, I was ridiculed by Apple fanatics for even *suggesting* the idea that Android could grab even 10% market share, let alone dominate the industry the way it does now.


Dominate the industry? How exactly? The iPhone is still by far the most popular smartphone. It's true that all the hundreds of different models of Android devices that can be roughly categorized as "smart" phones sell more than the iPhone, but a huge chunk of those aren't even in the same category.
The iPhone does not compete in the sub $50 subsidized cost market. Most android devices are competing with Symbian, Windows Mobile, lower spec blackberries, and dumb phones. They are certainly not dominating the high end smartphone segment by any means.

Let me assure you - the same will happen to tablet. You'll be surprised to see what the tablet landscape looks like 12 months from now.


I think it is you that will be surprised. I have yet to see a tablet that competes with the iPad 1, despite it's limitations. Impossible to predict further than a year out, but I don't think anything is going to change significantly. The cheap Android tablets are junk, and the somewhat decent ones are expensive. Not to say they don't have a market, there are plenty of people with blind apple hatred or a niche need that is not addressed by the iPad that are buying Android tablets, but they aren't anywhere close to making a product that is at the same level.

PS. I don't own an iPad.. Too expensive for the marginal utility it would give me over my phone, but playing with other tablets makes me realize how far behind they are.

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RE[4]: Comment by kovacm
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 17th Aug 2011 18:48 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by kovacm"
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2005-06-29

We'll see. Bookmark the comment, and we'll revisit this topic next year.

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RE[5]: Comment by kovacm
by MOS6510 on Wed 17th Aug 2011 18:51 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by kovacm"
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2011-05-12

Can't you make a OSNews poll and have us guess the iPad market share one year from now?

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RE[5]: Comment by kovacm
by fretinator on Wed 17th Aug 2011 19:36 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by kovacm"
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2005-07-06

You are right Thom. If you were any righter, you would be the wart on the right side of Michelle Bachman's right knee.

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RE[5]: Comment by kovacm
by kovacm on Fri 19th Aug 2011 14:13 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by kovacm"
kovacm Member since:
2010-12-16

We'll see. Bookmark the comment, and we'll revisit this topic next year.


Here Thom, you have another "bookmarked" link 12 months old ;)

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/05/07/what-will-hp-do-with-palms...

oh, no! it's Daniel ! ;) ;)

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RE[4]: Comment by kovacm
by _txf_ on Wed 17th Aug 2011 21:00 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by kovacm"
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2008-03-17


Dominate the industry? How exactly? The iPhone is still by far the most popular smartphone. It's true that all the hundreds of different models of Android devices that can be roughly categorized as "smart" phones sell more than the iPhone, but a huge chunk of those aren't even in the same category.


What do you mean by "roughly"? Android phones ARE smart phones. Yeah, they span the breadth from shitty to excellent but even the rubbish ones are smartphones.


The iPhone does not compete in the sub $50 subsidized cost market. Most android devices are competing with Symbian, Windows Mobile, lower spec blackberries, and dumb phones. They are certainly not dominating the high end smartphone segment by any means.


No, they aren't dominating the high end. But still are doing pretty darned well.

Edited 2011-08-17 21:00 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by kovacm
by Neolander on Wed 17th Aug 2011 21:02 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by kovacm"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

High-end only ? You mean like Mac hardware, I assume. This approach has failed in the past, I'm not sure reproducing it is such a good idea.

Apple would never have the place they currently have in the DAP market if they hadn't learned to manufacture low-end devices. Things like the iPod Nano and the iPod Shuffle. Stuff that normal people are massively interested in, because it's cheap and good enough, even if it's objectively a good ol' piece of junk.

Edited 2011-08-17 21:12 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by kovacm
by Moredhas on Wed 17th Aug 2011 21:40 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by kovacm"
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2008-04-10

I have yet to see a tablet that competes with the iPad 1, despite it's limitations.


Two words: Asus Transformer.

I've commented to this effect in other threads, so I'll keep this brief. I had an iPad, I got tired of it's limitations, it's not adequate for replacing a computer for any of my portable needs. I sold it, bought an Asus Transformer (For about $200 AU less than I spent on the iPad, including shipping from the US, AND the optional keyboard dock), and honestly there's no contest. The only good thing to come of me buying an iPad is the legitimacy it lends my opinion: nobody needs a giant iPod Touch, Android tablets, at least Honeycomb ones, are very usuable tablets; there is no functional difference between an iPad or an iPod.

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RE[5]: Comment by kovacm
by Netfun81 on Wed 17th Aug 2011 22:15 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by kovacm"
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2008-03-25

not true anymore...most of the apps for ipad are improved apps taking advantage of the larger screen with side bars and other gui improvements. And the screen size makes the ipad much more useful than the ipod touch.

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RE[5]: Comment by kovacm
by leos on Thu 18th Aug 2011 01:02 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by kovacm"
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2005-09-21

"I have yet to see a tablet that competes with the iPad 1, despite it's limitations.


Two words: Asus Transformer.

I've commented to this effect in other threads, so I'll keep this brief. I had an iPad, I got tired of it's limitations, it's not adequate for replacing a computer for any of my portable needs.
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I heard the Asus Transformer is good, but it wouldn't come anywhere close to replacing a laptop. No closer than the iPad does. The iPad at least does not pretend to try to replace a computer.

So I can type on a real keyboard on the Asus. Great, that's nice but it doesn't come close to the utility of a laptop. I can't run Word, I can't run Outlook, I can't program, I can't run any of the software I need at work. So it still is no replacement for a laptop and it's bigger, bulkier, and more fragile than a one-piece design. Given I still need my laptop I would much rather have an iPad in addition than an Asus Transformer.

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RE[4]: Comment by kovacm
by Laurence on Thu 18th Aug 2011 08:29 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by kovacm"
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2007-03-26

Dominate the industry? How exactly? The iPhone is still by far the most popular smartphone. It's true that all the hundreds of different models of Android devices that can be roughly categorized as "smart" phones sell more than the iPhone, but a huge chunk of those aren't even in the same category.
The iPhone does not compete in the sub $50 subsidized cost market. Most android devices are competing with Symbian, Windows Mobile, lower spec blackberries, and dumb phones. They are certainly not dominating the high end smartphone segment by any means.

I love how people (and even Job himself) continually move the goal posts when boasting about market share.

As much as you might try to convince yourself otherwise, Windows Mobile, Blackberries and Symbian are not dumb phones - they /are/ smart phones. In some cases they might not always be aimed at exactly the same target audience as the iPhone is but that change what they are.


You're whole argument sounds like the time Jobs was lumping MacBooks and iPods into the same category as the iPhone when boasting about sales just prior to the launch of the original iPad.

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RE[5]: Comment by kovacm
by leos on Thu 18th Aug 2011 14:27 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by kovacm"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

" The iPhone does not compete in the sub $50 subsidized cost market. Most android devices are competing with Symbian, Windows Mobile, lower spec blackberries, and dumb phones.


As much as you might try to convince yourself otherwise, Windows Mobile, Blackberries and Symbian are not dumb phones
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You fail at reading. Read again.

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