Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 19th Aug 2011 10:12 UTC
Legal After revealing that Apple tampered with evidence in the German case against the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, WebWereld.nl has now revealed that Apple has also tampered with the evidence in the Dutch court case (coverage in English). Apple has manipulated the image of a Samsung Galaxy S in a side-by-side comparison with the iPhone 3GS. The Galaxy S has been shortened and made narrower so that its dimensions match those of the 3GS. This piece of evidence is the only side-by-side comparison of these two devices, and is part of the summons, which, according to a Dutch lawyer, means that Apple considers it to be of special significance. Just goes to show, once more, how far Apple is willing to go to stifle competition through the legal system - lying, cheating, manipulating. What a classy, premium company, that Apple!
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RE: pure insanity from Apple.
by Aragorn992 on Fri 19th Aug 2011 10:45 UTC in reply to "pure insanity from Apple."
Aragorn992
Member since:
2007-05-27

Apple has finally "jumped the shark". Any corporation that is so arrogant that it deliberately falsifies court evidence to block competitors has massive problems. This can only end very, very badly for Apple.


I disagree. This kind of aggression and ruthlessness makes me admire Apple from a purely capitalist point of view. I wish I had shares in this company ;)

It's funny how long it took someone to notice such an obvious falsification.

Edited 2011-08-19 10:45 UTC

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v RE[2]: pure insanity from Apple.
by pervas on Fri 19th Aug 2011 10:50 in reply to "RE: pure insanity from Apple."
Janvl Member since:
2007-02-20

You should have read the articles here. A similar Tablet was already presented 17 years ago.
Apple was never very innovative, not in design and not in technical specs, they just know better how to do their marketing, that is until now . . . . .

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RE[2]: pure insanity from Apple.
by arb1 on Fri 19th Aug 2011 11:19 in reply to "RE: pure insanity from Apple."
arb1 Member since:
2011-08-19

"Apple has finally "jumped the shark". Any corporation that is so arrogant that it deliberately falsifies court evidence to block competitors has massive problems. This can only end very, very badly for Apple.


I disagree. This kind of aggression and ruthlessness makes me admire Apple from a purely capitalist point of view. I wish I had shares in this company ;)

It's funny how long it took someone to notice such an obvious falsification.
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Last I checked falsifying evidence is very big no no in any court in the world. How can you admire a company that uses clearly unmoral and unethical tactic's to get an edge. Its only thing to do it and not get busted but when you do it in a court filing that is a can of worms Apple shouldn't of opened. I'm no lawyer but Samsung seems to have legal ground to sue for least 3 weeks of lost sales over this.

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unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

If Germany is anything like Australia a few senior Apple executives will be serving prison time for perjury and their lawyers will be disbarred.

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Aragorn992 Member since:
2007-05-27

"[q]Apple has finally "jumped the shark". Any corporation that is so arrogant that it deliberately falsifies court evidence to block competitors has massive problems. This can only end very, very badly for Apple.


I disagree. This kind of aggression and ruthlessness makes me admire Apple from a purely capitalist point of view. I wish I had shares in this company ;)

It's funny how long it took someone to notice such an obvious falsification.
"

Last I checked falsifying evidence is very big no no in any court in the world. How can you admire a company that uses clearly unmoral and unethical tactic's to get an edge. Its only thing to do it and not get busted but when you do it in a court filing that is a can of worms Apple shouldn't of opened. I'm no lawyer but Samsung seems to have legal ground to sue for least 3 weeks of lost sales over this. [/q]

I said: "from a purely capitalist point of view". The down votes suggest others, and also perhaps you, missed the word "purely" in my original post. Of course, when taking into account the law, it is far from admirable.

Getting into morals is ridiculous though. A company, by law, must put profit ahead of everything else (whilst of course still abiding by other laws :p).

It still amazes me that people cannot admire something for a specific aspect while not admiring (or even despising) other aspects of that same thing.

Also, just wanted to add. You saying that lying is "unmoral and unethical" is nothing more than your opinion. That fact that lying is against the law does not change this.

Edited 2011-08-20 04:43 UTC

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RE[2]: pure insanity from Apple.
by shmerl on Fri 19th Aug 2011 14:01 in reply to "RE: pure insanity from Apple."
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

You admire liars and crooks? What does it have to do with "capitalist point of view"? It has something to do with crooked point of view.

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Aragorn992 Member since:
2007-05-27

You admire liars and crooks? What does it have to do with "capitalist point of view"? It has something to do with crooked point of view.


I said: "from a purely capitalist point of view". The down votes suggest others, and also perhaps you, missed the word "purely" in my original post.

But your comment suggests you didn't quite think this out. For example, would you NOT admire liars if, in the process of their lying, they managed to do something more acceptable to you like, I don't know, saving some hostages by lying to the terrorists keeping them hostage?

This whole idea that lying being morally wrong is debatable. Of course it is against the law (in this particular story) but it is also pure hard reality in this world. Suggesting otherwise is unbelievably naive.

Edited 2011-08-20 04:39 UTC

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

And that's why the self-regulating free market is a pipe dream.

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CapEnt Member since:
2005-12-18

In a ideal self-regulating free market, not even patents would exist at all, let alone a aberration like this community design thing that Apple are trying to exploit.

Hardcore liberals see court appeals between companies as a government intervention (in short, a company trying to leverage the power of the state in his favor against a competitor), since the judiciary system is a integral part of the state. For them, the sole legal limit that a corporation should have is the plain criminal law, to avoid competitors to kill each other if something went awry, for example. :-)

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SnelHest Member since:
2011-08-04

This is not Capitalism.
It's as government-driven as it gets.

In capitalism (whether its a personal attitude or a political system), everything is settled by the parties involved only- and if they make or lose money or customers fighting each other by producing competitive products- Well, so it is. That's it. There's no court playing third-party (even if you looked for one). There are no patent rights. There is only limited scope for copyright. No one will hear your claims over code, science, hardware arrangements etc. You are responsible for people knowing what ideas are attributable to you.
There MIGHT be a provision for highly unique designs as art. But even art does not really have protection. Art, too, works like a market. If you get copied, you get copied.
You fight with your products to win. Make alliances with other companies if necessary- make the right choices.
The government is small or even almost non-existent - and simply for non-intrusive, contract-based administration of public services- which does not have any true money of its own- because it does not tax companies or people.
This is capitalism in the form people who talk about it mean.
I don't know when "Capitalism" became interchangeable with "Mixed economy", "Hedonism/Nihilism" and "Pragmatism", those words have been named especially to reflect that they are completely different ideas.

What we have here is absolutely nothing like that.
What I do admire, or rather what fascinates me, is the mad pragmatism of the company. (I think you mean this, too) ;)

It takes some serious ego and guts to do stuff like this- and I've got out the popcorn and I'm waiting (or hoping, is it? ;) ) for someone who will match them madness. ;) I'd love a good show.

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Delgarde Member since:
2008-08-19

This is not Capitalism.
It's as government-driven as it gets.


Yup, under 'pure' capitalism, companies wouldn't be taking each other to court over patent issues, because patents (and other forms of intellectual property) constitute government interference in the market.

Pure capitalism isn't much more desirable than pure socialism, but anyone who blames it for the current system understand what capitalism actually is.

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