Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 22nd Aug 2011 21:19 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Last week, HP killed its webOS devices unit. Over the weekend, the company slashed the prices on the TouchPad. The result? The TouchPad sold out completely in a matter of hours. This confirms what I've been hearing from friends and family: "I'd love a tablet, but I'm not paying laptop money for one."
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RE[5]: Interesting experiment
by tupp on Wed 24th Aug 2011 00:32 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Interesting experiment"
tupp
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/237812/apple_forces_competition_to_a...
Sure unibody laptop enclosures are stupid. Sure. PC makers could make them if they wanted. Sure. Keep saying that. Still doesn't change anything.

Dude. The author of that article has no clue about manufacturing processes nor about the widespread availability of CNC mills. He is obviously just another one of the many Apple-worshiping journalist, as indicated by the article's last sentence: "In the end, only Apple will be able to reliably deliver the cool, calming, solid, familiar tactile experience that end-users and IT admins alike desire." Detect any bias in that sentence?

Again, there are CNC shops all over the place. The manufacturers do not have to buy such machines as that crappy article suggests. If Apple had a lock on all of the CNC machines in the world, pretty much every industry on the globe would be in a crisis. It's a ridiculously naive, fanboy-wishful-thinking notion.

Furthermore, it is not necessary to machine metal "unibody" enclosures as there are metal forging processes that are just as strong and cheaper (namely stamping).

No. The reason why most manufacturers are keeping away from CNC housings is because they can make a less expensive, less wasteful and more resilient housing using plastics.



Another article by an Apple-worshiping "journalist" posted by the same site. I am not going to even bother pointing-out the biased language.

Again, the author has no clue about manufacturing.

Not surprisingly, this second article actually references the first article you linked as it's information source that "Apple has booked solid all the lathes."

Really?! Oh, Apple! You are so smart and forward thinking! Now you have all of those cheap inferior competitors by the short hairs!!!

It is amazing that people actually stomach such tripe without thinking. There is no way that Apple can "book" all of the CNC mills in the world. Additionally, all industry would shut down if it were so.

However, I would like to point out that, even though this article is biased in favor of Apple, the author acknowledges that Sony and Dell offered super thin laptops years before the Macbook Air.


PC OEMs are finding it hard to impossible to match the Macbook Air which is flying off the shelves.

PC makers don't want to match the Macbook Air -- the housing is too expensive, wasteful and environmentally unsound (20,000 CNC mills -- hello!) to manufacture. In addition, there are the aforementioned bending problems, that require more expensive (and harder to machine) alloys.


Apple is the only PC maker that is still showing substantial growth and makes most of the profits in the industry.

Everyone has a right to one's opinion about what constitutes "substantial growth," but one thing that cannot be denied is that there are way more non-Apple laptops being sold, compared to Macbook sales.


There are reasons for that.

Yes. And the reason is that there are millions of people who are gullible enough to believe that Apple has a lock on all of the CNC houses in the world.

Edited 2011-08-24 00:37 UTC

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RE[6]: Interesting experiment
by kristoph on Wed 24th Aug 2011 07:16 in reply to "RE[5]: Interesting experiment"
kristoph Member since:
2006-01-01

So let me see if I understand your post.

- Those respected journalists who are pro-apple are actually pro-apple fanboys who know nothing about anything while you are a manufacturing idiot savant

- Apple is actually an environmentally wasteful manufacturer of crap; never mind what those pinko-commie Greenpeace people say and the unparalleled customer satisfaction rating

- Plastic is fantastic! Plastic is better, stronger and better looking and better for the environment too! Don't settle for imitations, get genuine plastic!!! Never mind that it takes 25k years to decay in a landfill and looks like shit.

- Apple is not really selling that many laptops; never mind that fact that Apple holds the #1, #3, and #5 slots in the top 5 best selling laptops on Amazon

- PC makers have no interest in those awesome margins Apple makes; they want to stick to the cheaper, better plastic stuff and make 2% margins because really, that's where the money is; that HP CEO must be a dumb ass for wanting to divest the biggest PC business in the world

Is that about right?

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Edited 2011-08-24 07:34 UTC

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RE[7]: Interesting experiment
by tupp on Wed 24th Aug 2011 20:14 in reply to "RE[6]: Interesting experiment"
tupp Member since:
2006-11-12

Those respected journalists who are pro-apple are actually pro-apple fanboys who know nothing about anything while you are a manufacturing idiot savant

Those reporters don't have a clue about manufacturing nor what a CNC mill actually is nor about the availability of such machines.

I just did a quick web search and found several CNC brands selling, with no back-order notices. These "journalists" can't even be bothered to do a little light research.

If you doubt me, perhaps you would care to make a little wager on the availability of new CNC mills and/or the availability of CNC houses. We can start at USD $1,000.


Apple is actually an environmentally wasteful manufacturer of crap; never mind what those pinko-commie Greenpeace people say and the unparalleled customer satisfaction rating

Do you have any idea how wasteful and toxic it is to machine large runs from metal rather than using a more efficient method, such as injection molding?

Built into Apple's "unibody" manufacturing process is a lot of milling energy expended on each unit and a lot of metal that has to be recycled, requiring more energy.

Not only does milling big pieces of metal in large scale production-runs consume a lot of electricity, it also uses a lot of toxic machining lubricant, that has to be disposed.

Multiply by 20,000 the energy expended by one of these CNC machines plus its waste toxic lubricant, and you have the environmental damage just in the machining step of the process.

Furthermore, to recycle all of the metal shavings generated, energy has to be expended to gather them and package/handle them. Then, the shavings have to be shipped to a foundry, using even more energy.

At the foundry, a lot of additional energy is required to remelt the shavings and to make new ingots.

In addition, please note that this whole process is pre-consumer -- it is additional to and separate from the process of the consumer recycling their end product.


Plastic is fantastic! Plastic is better, stronger and better looking and better for the environment too! Don't settle for imitations, get genuine plastic!!! Never mind that it takes 25k years to decay in a landfill and looks like shit.

Injection molding plastic requires much less energy than mass machining, and it produces almost no material waste, with no pre-consumer recycling necessary. Most of Apple's competitors use injection molding and fasteners -- much more environmentally friendly.

In regards to plastic looking "like shit," the only time it looks like shit is when it is used on Apple products!


Apple is not really selling that many laptops; never mind that fact that Apple holds the #1, #3, and #5 slots in the top 5 best selling laptops on Amazon

I have no idea what is selling at Amazon, but more non-Apple laptops are sold, compared to the number of Apple laptops sold.


PC makers have no interest in those awesome margins Apple makes; they want to stick to the cheaper, better plastic stuff and make 2% margins because really, that's where the money is; that HP CEO must be a dumb ass for wanting to divest the biggest PC business in the world

I do not pretend to know the interests nor motivations of PC makers, nor would I praise Apple for price gouging.

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