Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 26th Aug 2011 22:06 UTC, submitted by Morgan
Legal And we have another contender for the stupidest technology-related lawsuit of 2011. Do you remember RealNetworks? The scourge of '90s web users? Lucky for us, their horrible media player is no longer a requirement on the web. Also lucky, for those of us who occasionally run into content encoded in any of Real's codecs, there's Real Alternative (download here). Well, apparently, RealNetworks is not happy with Real Alternative (download here), as the US company has completely destroyed the life of the Dutch maintainer of a website who dared to link to Real Alternative (download here).
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Not just linking
by danieldk on Fri 26th Aug 2011 22:19 UTC
danieldk
Member since:
2005-11-18

Fact: the guy hosted Real Alternative

http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-services/2007-September/000...

Judging from that message, he was also the developer of Real Alternative.

A cursory Google search shows that Real Alternative does not just implement RealPlayer compatibility, it actually contains Real Network's codecs.

If he didn't license the codec from Real Networks, he is violating copyrights.

Edit: the old website:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/3r83989

Edited 2011-08-26 22:31 UTC

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RE: Not just linking
by Soulbender on Fri 26th Aug 2011 23:35 in reply to "Not just linking"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Fact: the guy hosted Real Alternative


in 2007.

Judging from that message, he was also the developer of Real Alternative.


There's nothing in the message supporting your statement.

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RE: Not just linking
by morningtime on Sat 27th Aug 2011 22:12 in reply to "Not just linking"
morningtime Member since:
2011-08-27

Both statements are wrong.

1. he hosted files on the German FreeNet system, which is a filehosting site, such as Tucows and many others

2. his link "filebuilds.edskes.net" was an A-record/CNAME of Freenet

3. he collected, and still does, latest releases of software, as we can see today on www.finalbuilds.com, which surely isn't a crime to do

4. he is not the developer of Real Alternative: the developers are the same as the team behind the K-Lite Codec Pack and Kazaa Lite, allegedly a bunch of Romanians / Eastern Europeans.

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RE[2]: Not just linking
by danieldk on Sat 27th Aug 2011 22:45 in reply to "RE: Not just linking"
danieldk Member since:
2005-11-18


1. he hosted files on the German FreeNet system, which is a filehosting site, such as Tucows and many others


Check the netcraft report of codecpack.nl. It was and is hosted on a server colocated at LeaseWeb, a Dutch colocator. As both the e-mail message and the archive.org cache indicates, the files were hosted on codecpack.nl. Hence, the files were hosted by a server in the Netherlands. Not in Germany.

3. he collected, and still does, latest releases of software, as we can see today on www.finalbuilds.com, which surely isn't a crime to do


It is, if it contains DLLs which he is not allowed to redistribute.

4. he is not the developer of Real Alternative: the developers are the same as the team behind the K-Lite Codec Pack and Kazaa Lite, allegedly a bunch of Romanians / Eastern Europeans.


That's certainly possible. However, he did announce new versions.

It's all smokes and mirrors. The people arguing this was just simple linking, and no hosting, have never shown any proof. This while all the evidence shows he hosted the files, and as such redistributes DLLs that were property of Real Networks.

At the same time, there is a whole lot of bad journalism without fact checking.

Edited 2011-08-27 22:46 UTC

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RE: Not just linking
by howitzer86 on Sun 28th Aug 2011 19:28 in reply to "Not just linking"
howitzer86 Member since:
2008-02-27

Now now, don't let the facts get in the way of good internet drama.

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