Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 26th Aug 2011 22:06 UTC, submitted by Morgan
Legal And we have another contender for the stupidest technology-related lawsuit of 2011. Do you remember RealNetworks? The scourge of '90s web users? Lucky for us, their horrible media player is no longer a requirement on the web. Also lucky, for those of us who occasionally run into content encoded in any of Real's codecs, there's Real Alternative (download here). Well, apparently, RealNetworks is not happy with Real Alternative (download here), as the US company has completely destroyed the life of the Dutch maintainer of a website who dared to link to Real Alternative (download here).
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RE[2]: Comment by ilovebeer
by Alex Hitech on Sat 27th Aug 2011 17:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by ilovebeer"
Alex Hitech
Member since:
2005-12-29

Nobody stole anything, they *copied* it.


Yes, like copying isn't theft...

According to laws of several countries, e.g. Russia and Israel, theft is illegal obtaining of the goods. The legal owner may even not know that something was stolen. For example, imagine a warehouse with loose documentation - no-one knows what is stored there; and there's no way to find out if anything is missing; nevertheless, illegally obtaining something from that warehouse is still theft.

Therefore, illegal copying is theft.

Edited 2011-08-27 17:41 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by ilovebeer
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 27th Aug 2011 17:51 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by ilovebeer"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

According to laws of several countries, e.g. Russia and Israel, theft is illegal obtaining of the goods. The legal owner may even not know that something was stolen. For example, imagine a warehouse with loose documentation - no-one knows what is stored there; and there's no way to find out if anything is missing; nevertheless, illegally obtaining something from that warehouse is still theft.

Therefore, illegal copying is theft.


And I should give a fcuk about Israel and Russia, why, exactly? Are you telling me their laws apply to us as well? Wtf?

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RE[4]: Comment by ilovebeer
by Alex Hitech on Sat 27th Aug 2011 18:04 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by ilovebeer"
Alex Hitech Member since:
2005-12-29

And I should give a fcuk about Israel and Russia, why, exactly? Are you telling me their laws apply to us as well? Wtf?


I'm merely saying that, unless laws explicitly state something else, theft is illegal obtaining. Theft is unapproved possessing. Without any concern if the legal owner still holds the original.

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RE[3]: Comment by ilovebeer
by Alfman on Sat 27th Aug 2011 19:13 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by ilovebeer"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Alex Hitech,

"Therefore, illegal copying is theft."

"I'm merely saying that, unless laws explicitly state something else, theft is illegal obtaining. Theft is unapproved possessing. Without any concern if the legal owner still holds the original."

So, if I walked into an art gallery and took unauthorized photographs of a work, this is equivalent to actually stealing the work itself? To claim both are the same is ignorant.

I honestly don't know what it's like in Israel, but I'm guessing your stretching the truth there too. Can anyone else vouch that Israeli law treats physical theft identically to copyright violations?

"The legal owner may even not know that something was stolen. For example, imagine a warehouse with loose documentation - no-one knows what is stored there; and there's no way to find out if anything is missing"

How the hell are you going to file a police report if you don't know if anything is missing?


Not a single one of us has claimed that people shouldn't be prosecuted for copyright violation, so quit trying to use that angle to support your self righteousness.

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