Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 4th Sep 2011 15:48 UTC
Legal "Secret U.S. government cables show a stunning willingness by senior Canadian officials to appease American demands (more here) for a U.S.-style copyright law here. The documents describe Canadian officials as encouraging American lobbying efforts. They also cite cabinet minister Maxime Bernier raising the possibility of showing U.S. officials a draft bill before tabling it in Parliament. The cables, from the U.S. Embassy in Ottawa, even have a policy director for then industry minister Tony Clement suggesting it might help U.S. demands for a tough copyright law if Canada were placed among the worst offenders on an international piracy watch list. Days later, the U.S. placed Canada alongside China and Russia on the list." Unbelievable. Suddenly I understand why the SFPD had no qualms about acting as henchmen for Apple goons to violate someone's constitutional rights. If a government is messed up, it only makes sense this is reflected in the corporate policies of its prime corporations.
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RE[4]: Human mess
by zima on Sun 4th Sep 2011 19:57 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Human mess"
zima
Member since:
2005-07-06

I stress a complex web of interrelations in societal dynamics. "Govs reflecting their society" being just one of them (but not a bad one to point out specifically, with how wilfully overlooked and/or denied it is typically...), what else the emphasised, more than once, "also" could mean?

[...] non-corrupt individuals face more challenges in politics than corrupt ones. [...] a dishonest politician [...] has more opportunities than the honest politician, all else being equal.

And who allows for such state of affairs? Heck, in moderately functional liberal democracies, who votes in those people? Why the society doesn't care to see enough through the dirty tricks? Why it is... so often wrong in promoting their new mythical honest idol?

Those are our failures.

(oh, and "all else being equal" could just as well mean firm, strict, equal for all enforcement of fair and sustainable rules, of the so called values humans typically declare to cherish...)

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RE[5]: Human mess
by Alfman on Sun 4th Sep 2011 20:43 in reply to "RE[4]: Human mess"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

"Why it is... so often wrong in promoting their new mythical honest idol?"

I'm insulted by this notion that honesty is mythical. I try my absolute best to be honest when it comes to my jobs and responsibilities. Despite the fact that I see dishonest people getting ahead of myself, I've remained honest. Perhaps my kind will eventually die off because we're not fit to survive, but I still will cling to the view that honestly is a virtue worth having even if it is a competitive weakness.


"Those are our failures."

To the extent that we have control over them, then sure, but you must be aware that many people over here in the US view the government as a fascist entity acting on behalf of wealthy corporate interests through both parties.

It may be a conspiracy to you, but in their minds, their government does not represent them.

http://newjerseyhills.com/observer-tribune/news/article_7074df6c-f7.....

"Despite the poor national economy, the report found that the personal wealth of members of Congress increased collectively by more than 16 percent between 2008 and 2009. It also showed that 261 congressmen, or nearly half of the membership of the House of Representatives, are millionaires."

The fact is wealth plays a large part in getting representation within government. Regardless of the reasons, government is overwhelmingly composed of wealthy classes who would rather keep pushing corporate interests over us.

I'm an advocate of real democracy, but it's gotta represent the people. What we have today does not.

Edited 2011-09-04 20:54 UTC

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RE[6]: Human mess
by MollyC on Mon 5th Sep 2011 09:24 in reply to "RE[5]: Human mess"
MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

...you must be aware that many people over here in the US view the government as a fascist entity acting on behalf of wealthy corporate interests through both parties.


And there are others in the US that think that the government is there just to take from the middle class and the rich and give it to the poor.

I think both sides are whack. Sure, the govt helps corporations when the govt thinks that it is in society's interest to do so, but that's not "fascism". And sure, there's a safety net to help those that are struggling, but that doesn't mean that the govt is stealing from the rich/middle class to give to the poor. The ideologues on both sides are so annoying.

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RE[6]: Human mess
by Neolander on Mon 5th Sep 2011 10:19 in reply to "RE[5]: Human mess"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

In Sweden, I have met someone who advocated random elections. People are picked randomly in the ID database and designated as part-time leaders of the country. To address things which they don't know, they refer to a public institution of people who work in the field.

This idea makes me feel a bit uncomfortable, though I can't find precise arguments against it, but it would certainly lead to more representative governments.

Edited 2011-09-05 10:22 UTC

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