Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 5th Sep 2011 22:26 UTC
Privacy, Security, Encryption So, people from within Iran have hacked the Dutch company DigiNotar, allowing them to issue fake certificates so they could listen in on Iranian dissidents and other organisation within Iran. This is a very simplified version of the story, since it's all quite complicated and I honestly don't even understand all of it. In any case, DigiNotar detected the intrusion July 19, but didn't really do anything with it until it all blew up in their face this past week. Now, the Dutch government has taken over operational management of DigiNotar... But as a Dutch citizen, that doesn't really fill me with confidence, because, well - whenever the Dutch government does anything even remotely related to IT technology, they mess it up. And mess it up bad.
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Comment by abstraction
by abstraction on Mon 5th Sep 2011 23:44 UTC
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2008-11-27

Japan has a similar way of paying for travel and one of my friends who stayed their thought it worked perfectly. But they might just be better at implementing things considering the trains are never late. In my country I'm sure we would get the same result as the Netherlands if we did the same.

Edited 2011-09-05 23:44 UTC

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RE: Comment by abstraction
by rrijken on Tue 6th Sep 2011 03:00 in reply to "Comment by abstraction"
rrijken Member since:
2011-09-06

Even in Japan the trains run late.... Mostly to suicides or disasters.... The system works perfectly though, even when using a card on another train network or a combination of the above. It also gives you more functionality then just travelling. Buying stuff at kiosk stands etc. can also be paid for with the card...

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RE: Comment by abstraction
by Neolander on Tue 6th Sep 2011 06:42 in reply to "Comment by abstraction"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Your country (or at least Uppsala region) does electronic tickets on an NFC card ;) I know, I was there !

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cyrilleberger Member since:
2006-02-01

Only for regional transport. For national line, it is paper or sms, bought online or at a shop. And for regional transport, the quality depends on the area, for instance in Göteborg, you have to press a sequence of button in a certain order to get your ticket (with no documentation on board), and if you go out of town, and forget to validate at exit it will charge the full content of your card. And in Östgötaland, the system is not too bad, but it is slow as hell, it can takes more than 10s before the machine validate your ticket.

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RE: Comment by abstraction
by Damnshock on Wed 7th Sep 2011 17:08 in reply to "Comment by abstraction"
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2006-09-15

Japan has a similar way of paying for travel and one of my friends who stayed their thought it worked perfectly. But they might just be better at implementing things considering the trains are never late. In my country I'm sure we would get the same result as the Netherlands if we did the same.

It's not only they are better at implementing things but that their society wouldn't even think for a sec to try to steal from others. Most of Japan doesn't even have locks at home because the idea of someone breaking into your house is... well, they just don't think about that.

They have so much respect for each other that it gets ridiculous many times.

That was something I really loved about the japanese ;)

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RE: Comment by abstraction
by trbs on Wed 7th Sep 2011 20:49 in reply to "Comment by abstraction"
trbs Member since:
2011-07-06

The Dutch system is nothing compared to the Japanese system.

Dutch metro's now feel like supermax prisons while Japanese are clean and friendly.

Doing customer service in the Netherland is horrible, me trying to merge three different cards together which I got from one transport agency for three different products was a nightmare. They deal with you like you are some kind of criminal... how dare you try to make your live easier by putting 3 digital products onto 1 digital card.

No give me the Tokyo or Helsinki system any day... and please let us just stop with the foolishness in the Netherlands.. it only will costs us large amounts of cash for a transport service which is not much better then cattle transport.

Like another poster said before... we Dutch will never be so civil as the Japanese are, so this type of system will never work for us...

It will just be a new version of the way we deal with fuel or telco prices... completely non-transparent and very volatile increasing prices... with less and less customer service....

(btw have you ever seen a Japanese gas station ? that is customer service!)

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