Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 13th Sep 2011 23:33 UTC
Windows Today, at Microsoft's BUILD conference in Anaheim, California, Microsoft unveiled the biggest overhaul of Windows since Windows 95. The venue was not coincidental; in the same city, in 1993, during the first Professional Developers Conference, Microsoft unveiled Windows 95 for the first time. Steven Sinofsky, supported by an army of Microsoft executives, demonstrated a whole boatload of things for Windows 8, and make no mistake, they had a lot to show. Two important notes: the Windows 8 Developer Preview will be free to download later today (no activation, will be updated regularly, and includes the new interface), and Win32 is the past.
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Thom is still wrong about win32
by IanDumych on Wed 14th Sep 2011 14:56 UTC
IanDumych
Member since:
2009-02-02

Thom, when are you going to stop perpetuating this "Win32 is dead" nonsense? Metro is blatently a shell running on the same old gui. Did you even bother reading the developer overview? Metro apps can be made using the Win32 api http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/br205757 Not only that, every single demo that we've seen so far has clearly shown a typical Windows setup with the Metro UI running as an application full screen, and when you run a normal native app it pops up in the old shell, right behind metro.

I want to see a true break from the aging Win32 api as much as anyone else, but the stuff you've been saying is still fantasy.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Thom, when are you going to stop perpetuating this "Win32 is dead" nonsense?


I didn't say it was dead. Did you read at all? I said it was on its way out.

Metro is blatently a shell running on the same old gui.


No, it's not.

Metro apps can be made using the Win32 apip


Read that link again, and focus on what it actually says, okay?

Not only that, every single demo that we've seen so far has clearly shown a typical Windows setup with the Metro UI running as an application full screen, and when you run a normal native app it pops up in the old shell, right behind metro.


Someone clearly hasn't been paying attention. It's the other way around.

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Sabon Member since:
2005-07-06

"Thom, when are you going to stop perpetuating this "Win32 is dead" nonsense?


I didn't say it was dead. Did you read at all? I said it was on its way out.

Everyone on earth that knows anything about computers knows that Win32 and 32 bit in general is on the way out. We've knows that for about 10 years.

Metro is blatently a shell running on the same old gui.


No, it's not.

Mostly it is.

Metro apps can be made using the Win32 apip


Read that link again, and focus on what it actually says, okay?

Not only that, every single demo that we've seen so far has clearly shown a typical Windows setup with the Metro UI running as an application full screen, and when you run a normal native app it pops up in the old shell, right behind metro.


Someone clearly hasn't been paying attention. It's the other way around.
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MS has been busy lying again. Read my other post about what they promise and what they deliver.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Interesting link. It doesn't mean that metros can be created *completely* with win32 api. It means that metros can be created with *some* win32 apis in addition to the metro api.

Why do they allow that?

From the article:

This subset of APIs was chosen to support key scenarios for Metro style apps that were not already covered by the Windows Runtime, HTML/CSS, or other supported languages or standards.


Yeah, they didn't finish the metro api. It can't completely replace win32 in all scenarios. That's less than a clean break. They'll have to keep support for those win 32 api calls now for a lot longer than they would have otherwise.

Edited 2011-09-15 14:02 UTC

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IanDumych Member since:
2009-02-02

I really wish I could understand why you keep saying these things. Watch Brad Linder's demo video on the Eee PC. Try the developer build yourself. OPEN YOUR EYES. This is BLATANTLY the same old win32 gui with Metro running as a 3d OVERLAY. The Metro style start button hovers over the area where the old start button was, and when you launch metro apps it just brings up the rest of the overlay.

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