Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 23rd Sep 2011 15:45 UTC
Internet & Networking It might be common, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to wail against it - especially since I was not familiar with this particular case. As it turns out, several of Adobe products' download pages have opt-out checkboxes to also install Google Chrome. This was spyware-like behaviour when Apple did it with Safari and the iPhone Configuration Utility, and it is still spyware-like behaviour when Adobe and Google do it with Chrome.
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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by molnarcs on Sat 24th Sep 2011 05:29 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
molnarcs
Member since:
2005-09-10

"Which major tech company is more interested in an open and fair Internet?


That's the question that was asked. Its not fair to automatically assume that Mozilla is excluded from that group, just because it runs against your argument.

Its quite childish to ask an open question with an then start dismissing the obvious answers to the question by introducing new conditions on the question.
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I don't consider Mozilla in the same league as Google, and I explained why. My argument was that I'm not aware of any major tech company that has an open and fair Internet in its interest more than Google. I'm talking about companies where you can match and compare Google services feature to feature (not all, but more than just a browser obviously). I didn't discard mozilla because it doesn't fit my argument. I discarded it as an example because it's in an entirely different ballpark.

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RE[6]: Comment by Kroc
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Sat 24th Sep 2011 16:20 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Kroc"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

You question didn't come with a defintion of "Major". If you had said,

"Well, yes Mozilla does do a good job, but they aren't subject to the same financial pressures that google is becuase of the nature of the services they provide "

That's a very mature way of saying it. As opposed to

Fantastic. You're comparing Google to Mozilla. Bravo.

Clue: ..."


That's childish. That's why you were modded down. Bad form.

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RE[7]: Comment by Kroc
by _xmv on Sat 24th Sep 2011 18:55 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Kroc"
_xmv Member since:
2008-12-09

You question didn't come with a defintion of "Major". If you had said,

"Well, yes Mozilla does do a good job, but they aren't subject to the same financial pressures that google is becuase of the nature of the services they provide "

That's a very mature way of saying it. As opposed to


actually, the difference, for the financial stuff is not exactly that. the different is that mozilla is non-profit, and thus, has no share holders, and thus, does whatever it wants to do (in our case, being good for the web and do only fair and righteous stuff - which is quite a mission if you ask me)

Google has share holders and is required to get as much money as it can, even thus it has no money issues/pressure right now, and probably not for a very, very long time.

Then again, Google did its choice, Mozilla did its choice too. And very, very very few make the choice Mozilla has made, because its a lot harder and brings less financial benefits.

So I'm not quite sure the real, global pressure is on Google.

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RE[7]: Comment by Kroc
by molnarcs on Sat 24th Sep 2011 19:02 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Kroc"
molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

You question didn't come with a defintion of "Major". If you had said,

"Well, yes Mozilla does do a good job, but they aren't subject to the same financial pressures that google is becuase of the nature of the services they provide "

That's a very mature way of saying it. As opposed to

"Fantastic. You're comparing Google to Mozilla. Bravo.

Clue: ..."


That's childish. That's why you were modded down. Bad form.
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That comment wasn't even modded down - it was my first one. Look, the parent I replied to gave us an example of bundling Chrome that is simply non-existent, then went on to conclude that Google is the enemy of the free and fair internet. What? And you call me childish? Then he gave mozilla as an example that is not even in the same league as Google. I didn't define major because I didn't think I have to... I thought it was obvious. Not to mention the irony of coming up Mozilla as a counter example. Who was the most important revenue source for Mozilla in their growth period? Google!

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