Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 21st Oct 2011 23:17 UTC, submitted by jello
Apple So, how serious is the legal battle between Apple and the various Android phone makers, really? Surely, it's just logical business sense that's behind it, right? Calculated, well-planned precision strikes designed to hurt Android where simply making better, more innovative products isn't enough? Well, no, not really. We already knew Steve Jobs took this personal - now we know just how personal.
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RE[7]: Comment by Jennimc
by Nth_Man on Sun 23rd Oct 2011 07:50 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Jennimc"
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2010-05-16

A sale of the cloned product will not result in a sale of the original product. So is this stealing? Yes. Its theft of sales, thats what it is.

If it was true, then:

1) Steve Jobs would be a thief, after stealing a lot, and Steve Jobs would be right when he said:
"We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
"Good artists copy; great artists steal."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

2) Steve Jobs would be a thief and would have stolen from Xerox:
"Jobs and a team of engineers visited Xerox PARC, where they saw a demo of mouse and graphical user interface"
http://www.maniacworld.com/alto-computer-video.html [includes an interesting video of Xerox Alto]
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/storysupplement/stevejobs/in...

3) Bill Gates would be a thief and would be right when talking to Steve Jobs:
"Well, Steve, I think there’s more than one way of looking at it. I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox, and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it."
http://www.wired.com/thisdayintech/2010/01/0119apple-unveils-lisa/
http://www.mac-history.net/the-history-of-the-apple-macintosh/rich-...
http://www.macworld.co.uk/blogs/index.cfm?blogId=8&entryId=392
http://www.wservernews.com/archives/wservernews-20090330.html

Edited 2011-10-23 07:52 UTC

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RE[8]: Comment by Jennimc
by frderi on Sun 23rd Oct 2011 11:23 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by Jennimc"
frderi Member since:
2011-06-17


If it was true, then:

1) Steve Jobs would be a thief, after stealing a lot, and Steve Jobs would be right when he said:
"We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
"Good artists copy; great artists steal."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

2) Steve Jobs would be a thief and would have stolen from Xerox:
"Jobs and a team of engineers visited Xerox PARC, where they saw a demo of mouse and graphical user interface"
http://www.maniacworld.com/alto-computer-video.html [includes an interesting video of Xerox Alto]
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/storysupplement/stevejobs/in...

3) Bill Gates would be a thief and would be right when talking to Steve Jobs:
"Well, Steve, I think there’s more than one way of looking at it. I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox, and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it."
http://www.wired.com/thisdayintech/2010/01/0119apple-unveils-lisa/
http://www.mac-history.net/the-history-of-the-apple-macintosh/rich-...
http://www.macworld.co.uk/blogs/index.cfm?blogId=8&entryId=392
http://www.wservernews.com/archives/wservernews-20090330.html


As noted earlier : Apple didn't steal from Xerox. They LICENSED the technology and Xerox took a stake at them. So Xerox was very much aware and okay with what Apple was doing. Microsoft didn't license anything. They saw the Apple prototypes and developed Windows behind everyones back.

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RE[9]: Comment by Jennimc
by Nth_Man on Sun 23rd Oct 2011 14:29 in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by Jennimc"
Nth_Man Member since:
2010-05-16

As noted earlier : Apple didn't steal from Xerox.

Let Steve Jobs answer:
"We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
"Good artists copy; great artists steal."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

Steve Jobs knew more about what Apple did, than you and me know. That's for sure.
Although I don't say that Apple "stole" from Xerox, knowing what other people mean about "stealing"... who knows what they may say?

They LICENSED the technology and Xerox took a stake at them. So Xerox was very much aware and okay with what Apple was doing.

Something is told about the exchange of "a tour and a demonstration of their work" for stock. But there has to be a license (something similar to a contract) for a company to license someone to use something; and if there's no license, lawsuits may come for unlawful use.

I've never met, for example, reliable information about that "license" (I don't count wikipedia as a reliable source, even I can write there whatever I want)). Do you have any proof of what you just have wrote? [This is not an evil question, I'm just curious and I would like to have information about this]

Apart from that, if Apple had that supposed license (I'm not saying that they hadn't) to use that kind of GUIs, they could have used that fact in the trial (*) against Microsoft (who hadn't a license to do that), but they didn't and the trial was dismissed.

Also Xerox also filed a lawsuit against Apple, and I haven't seen about that supposed license (I don't say it doesn't exist), and isn't mentioned in, for example,
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/03/24/business/most-of-xerox-s-suit-aga...
What's the point in filing a lawsuit against Apple if Apple had the license to show it in the trial?

Microsoft didn't license anything. They saw the Apple prototypes and developed Windows behind everyones back.

Let's note that they could also have seen a Xerox Alto or a Xerox Star or Visicorp's Visi On or who-knows-what. The fact is that Microsoft didn't invent WIMP GUIs, even if some people seem to think that Microsoft did.

(*) A trial for using a graphical user interface similar to the Apple Lisa in Apple Computer, Inc. vs Microsoft Corporation.

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