Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 3rd Nov 2011 19:34 UTC, submitted by lucas_maximus
Hardware, Embedded Systems A big issue right now in the world of operating systems - especially Linux - is Microsoft's requirement that all Windows 8 machines ship with UEFI's secure boot enabled, with no requirement that OEMs implement it so users can turn it off. This has caused some concern in the Linux world, and considering Microsoft's past and current business practices and the incompetence of OEMs, that's not unwarranted. CNet's Ed Bott decided to pose the issue to OEMs. Dell stated is has plans to include the option to turn secure boot off, while HP was a bit more vague about the issue.
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lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

I think it comes down to that you don't want to pay money for stuff and you are cheap.

Edited 2011-11-04 00:11 UTC

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

I think it comes down to that you don't want to pay money for stuff and you are cheap.


I think it comes down to that you want me to pay money to Microsoft even though I don't use their stuff.

In what possible universe is it sensible to pay twice as much as one has to, for any reason whatsoever? This question is especially pertinent when the better hardware/software combination is the one that is half the price.

Under what strange morailty is it a bad thing if people collaborate together to make a less expensive alternative available to everybody?

In what possible way is it a good thing for the Australian people, Australian business and the Australian economy to have a half-price alternative option to Microsoft made unavailable to them?

Do you have shares in Microsoft?

Edited 2011-11-04 01:06 UTC

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BushLin Member since:
2011-01-26

While I wouldn't disagree that a lack of available computers which come without Windows could be infuriating if you'll never use it... I very much doubt it's doubling the cost, especially when you're talking about products like netbooks.

I would hazard a guess that the prices for Windows you've quoted are the price for a single user licence that is way more expensive (and less restrictive) than the bulk OEM licences which are sold with PCs.

However, it's still a sham.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I already told you Lemur ...

No I don't have shares in Microsoft, Steve Ballmer pays me in Hookers and Coke. Me and Bill Gates hang around smoking Cubans in his mansion.

Linus comes round and says "those idiots still believe in this DESKTOP LINUX thing ... " and we all have a good chuckle about it ...

http://www.tmrepository.com/trademarks/paidmicrosoftshill

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

In what possible universe is it sensible to pay twice as much as one has to, for any reason whatsoever? This question is especially pertinent when the better hardware/software combination is the one that is half the price.


Better software? You honestly think that Linux is better software than Windows? In what world?

There are people that don't patch their Linux systems because they are afraid it will fall over.

People have problems with it all the time ... and I haven't seen much of an improvement in 10 years ... while Windows and OSX have become very nice polished products.

I won't get onto OSS(4) vs ALSA ...

Under what strange morailty is it a bad thing if people collaborate together to make a less expensive alternative available to everybody?


When it doesn't work.

It also devalues Software Engineering as a profession.

There is also no incentive for Quality and Polish. XFCE can look nice but it looks like the default theme is nicked from Redhat 9 and looks throughly out of date

Also Endless churn of rewriting stuff from "scratch" ... it has hurt the reputation of the KDE project and the Gnome Project, ... Pulse Audio etc.

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html

Releasing stuff when it isn't ready ... and the product is out of beta ... i.e. Unity.

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