Linked by David Adams on Wed 30th Nov 2011 20:23 UTC
Editorial A reader asks: "Can someone comment on the legality of using my brother's old Snow Leopard DVD to install OS X? My brother has Lion, so why can't he choose to give it to me? It doesn't violate Apple's 1 license per 1 computer policy."
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jabbotts
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2007-09-06

So, by meeting the conditions of the permissive license one is in-fact agreeing to the terms of the license then. It grants anyone the basic copy rights plus the additional rights (hence, the permissive license) only so long as they agree with and remain within the terms of the license.

Make no mistake, I'm not criticizing or questioning the GPL. I'm questioning the idea that one does not have to agree to the license. Agreement being in the form of acting within the stipulated limitations of the license.


Teacher: "Everyone has permission to go to the toilet if they want, but not to go to the playground unless they have handed up their assignment".

It doesn't matter if the students "agree", or not. Clear enough, wouldn't you say? Even ten-year-olds should be able to understand this.


The students demonstrate agreement by not going to the playground. The student who disagrees loudly would be told they can't go to the washroom. The student who disagrees quietly would try to sneak off to the playground under the guise of "going to the washroom" or would abuse the "going to the washroom" by hanging out there instead of on the playground.

An implicit agreement is still agreement even if it does not come with an EULA (Y)es radio button.

By using GPL or any other copy-left/copy-right licensed software one is implicitly agreeing to adhere to the permissive rights granted by the license. Otherwise, there would be no legal grounds for going after those who infringe copyright by going beyond the rights granted. Given that the GPL has been upheld in court against those who go beyond the given rights; it seems very clear that it does contain an agreement between licensee and the license holder.

A license requiring absolutely no agreement either documented or implied would be the previously mentioned copy-center type licenses that say "do whatever you like; use, modify, re-sell, re-brand or print out and eat with jam on toast."

Edited 2011-12-02 14:37 UTC

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

So, by meeting the conditions of the permissive license one is in-fact agreeing to the terms of the license then. It grants anyone the basic copy rights plus the additional rights (hence, the permissive license) only so long as they agree with and remain within the terms of the license.


Nope. The GPL grants anyone the basic copy rights unconditionally, plus the additional rights only so long as the recipient of the code remains within the terms of the license.

It says absolutely nothing about agreement. It makes not one whit of difference what the recipient thinks about the conditions. The recipient can agree, or disagree, or think the conditions are an outrageous restriction or a perfectly fair deal ... it matters not at all.

If the recipient acts within the conditions (regardless of the recipients opinion of said conditions), then the permissions which are dependent on those conditions are granted to that recipient of the code.

Pure and simple. No-one has to agree, or disagree, with anything. There is no negotiation involved, there is nothing to negotiate.

I think you seriously need to look up what is meant by "agreement" in this context.

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/agreement.html

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agreement

The GPL licenses is merely a grant of permissions, some of which are conditional. It is nowhere near to fitting within the definition of "agreement".

Edited 2011-12-05 05:31 UTC

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06


Pure and simple. No-one has to agree, or disagree, with anything. There is no negotiation involved, there is nothing to negotiate.


I think the confusion betwen us is symantics.

If one is remaining within the limitations stipulated by a license; one is demonstrating implicit agreement to remain within the limitations of the lincense. Agreement does not have to be negociated nore does it apply only to one's opinion of the terms.

In terms of the GPL. The fact that it provides extremely broad limitations which are nearly impossible not to remain within does not change the fact that implicit agreement is demonstrated by remaining within the limitations.

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