Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Dec 2011 22:44 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives "So... I have finally gotten around to finishing the Haiku tutorial I set out to complete over a year ago. I was hoping to have it done sooner, but I decided to then prolong graduation for another year. However, my thesis project has been a rocking success, and you can finally see the fruits of my labors. This production should be incorporated into the project as official tutorial material." Okay so yeah it's a tad bit cheesy, but heck, it's BeOS, so shut up.
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Not impressed
by avgalen on Fri 9th Dec 2011 01:01 UTC
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So what Haiku has to offer is:
- My computer, My Documents and Recycle Bin on the Desktop. But not just as nice looking icons, NOO sir, they are scalable vectors.....and look horribly teared
- A taskbar with a systray that you can put in different locations
- A menu structure that requires lots of scrolling clicking
- Windows with tiny titlebars that make dragging them hard, but docking them easy (this was the only cool thing in the video)
- You can start and stop a task and see how many resources it uses
- It has cool a really basic browser, a really basic email program, a really basic paint, spinning teapot, another 3D demo that didn't really seem to do anything and a mediaplayer that seemed to play really choppy (might have been the capturing, encoding or vimeo)

and it has an installer that makes you do partitioning yourself and then just copies files and changes the MBR

It all just looked like 15 years back in time, but with support for multiple cpu's (but hardly any real hardware) but not multiple users. Multi-tasking, but no security and no applications.

Who would actually benefit from this OS even if it was done today? Just people that liked BeOS back in the day ?

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RE: Not impressed
by testadura on Fri 9th Dec 2011 08:56 in reply to "Not impressed"
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Well, in general you are right.

But some enthusiasts (like myself) not only judge by features, but also by the feeling this OS gives. Of course it looks somewhat dated, lacks many useful applications, is still aplha etc. But nonetheless, it is fun to use! And stack&tile is a great addition ;)

On my netbook (Acer one a110) it boots and operates really fast. And now that WPA2 is supported, I can use wifi as well. It is nice to play around and brings back the fun in computing; you are in control. But it is nowhere near as useful as Windows/OSX/Ubuntu.

Nice video btw.

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RE[2]: Not impressed
by avgalen on Fri 9th Dec 2011 10:11 in reply to "RE: Not impressed"
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So you are running it on actual hardware, not just in a virtual machine. Could you describe which hardware works and which doesn't? I am most interested in Video, Audio, Wifi and USB, but of course LAN and SD-cards working would be nice as well.

And thanks for confirming that this is a "it makes me feel good" OS. I have used BeOS in the past but never got around to doing anything more than putting pictures and videos in the "flipbook", watching many spinning teapots, wondering how I could get my sound to work.....and then rebooting into Windows to actually get work done, play games and browse the internet and read my email (analog modem, but still)

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RE: Not impressed
by aldeck on Fri 9th Dec 2011 12:13 in reply to "Not impressed"
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but hardly any real hardware

I wonder where do you get this idea from (yeah sadly all the videos you see on the net are captured from a host os and vm), just come over at the annual gatherings and you'll see 80% of the people running it on real hardware. I've been using it without much problems on bare metal for 3 years. It's even one of the main purposes of this OS, to get most out of your hardware, having everything as fluid and snappy as possible.

Who would actually benefit from this OS even if it was done today?

You know, it's a usable open source OS. That by itself is a great achievement. It isn't perfect, but some people already have everything they need with it today. Others see great potential in it. Some just enjoy hacking on an ambitious yet focused project with a very open and friendly team.

What matters is the direction the project is taking and that it can live long enough to get there ;) I believe both points are covered.

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RE[2]: Not impressed
by avgalen on Fri 9th Dec 2011 13:16 in reply to "RE: Not impressed"
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I get the idea about lots of unsupported hardware from news items on OS News where it is mentioned that "Haiku now supports USB", "Haiku now supports Wifi (unsecured only", "Haiku now supports WPA2", "Haiku now supports printing". I also base it on all those demo's in virtuals, even in this video. And I base it on the extremely limited list of compatible hardware on a couple of the searches that I did: and And OF COURSE there will be a lot of people that are actually coming to Haiku meetings that are running on real hardware.

And I asked "Who would actually benefit from this OS even if it was done today?"

Your answer basically says "it is good enough for some already, it will probably get better and it is a great achievement". That doesn't answer my question "who would benefit?"

(and I personally wouldn't call an OS without multi-user and security "usable")

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RE: Not impressed
by pepper on Fri 9th Dec 2011 22:52 in reply to "Not impressed"
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I like the effort that people put into some new ideas, but I also mostly agree with some previous criticism: After this video, Haiku got less interesting, not more.

After all this time, it still seems very basic and not much more usable than BeOS back in the days. Yes, you can play around and send emails, but thats it.

I don't quite get why people insist on building or working on a new OS when the most important feature they consider are scalable icons and tabbed windows. Just take your favorite Linux WM and hack away...people might actually start using your software..

You don't need to run away and build a complete OS with Apps just because you don't like the FHS. The only reason to work on this OS is to increase your knowledge without the pressure of getting criticized on LKML, or to understand parts that are too complicated in practically deployed solutions, or just because you want to build your own OS.

In any case, looking for users to migrate to that systems seems completely misguided. Any mobile phone OS is more capable than Haiku today. Sorry. :-)

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RE[2]: Not impressed
by mattrock1988 on Sat 10th Dec 2011 03:27 in reply to "RE: Not impressed"
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Hate to bust your bubble, but Haiku is still in alpha state. Obviously there are many OSes more capable than Haiku at this point... because they are more or less finished. Still... no need to needlessly rag on an OS still in early development. What it is able to do now is quite good as it is.

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