Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 24th Dec 2011 13:00 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Earlier today, Samsung revealed that it won't update the Galaxy S, its most successful smartphone to date, to the latest version of Android. You might shrug and dismiss that as just more evidence of Android's inherent fragmentation or the need for buyers to beware, but I take grave issue with it. This is a decision based not on technical constraints, as Samsung would have you believe, but on hubris." This. A gazillion million thousand times this. Also: "It's simple: make a large high-end device, a smaller value device, and a QWERTY device. Maybe one or two other specialty form factors, tops. That's it. Update them once a year, and keep the names the same." It would make updating a hell of a lot easier. We don't need the Samsung Galaxy SII Epic 4G Touch Sensation.
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RE[3]: Regulate carrier behavior
by WorknMan on Sat 24th Dec 2011 17:44 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Regulate carrier behavior"
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

Can you please substantiate your claim that the blame lies with consumers, rather than large multi-national carrier corporations, with anything more than (imho) ad-hominem attacks on a potentially large and diverse group of people?


Do large multi-national carrier corporations point a gun to peoples' heads and force them to buy their phones? No? Then why is it anyone else's fault but the consumer? That's the problem these days... it's easier to blame government and large corporations for all of your bad decisions, instead of taking some f**king responsibility for your actions. Don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for an overpriced phone plan? Then don't buy one. The shit ain't air... you don't have to have it.

Note: Don't misunderstand me... I have a smartphone too, but I also get a lot of use out of it beyond mere entertainment, so for me, it is worth the price I pay for it.

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saso Member since:
2007-04-18

Do large multi-national carrier corporations point a gun to peoples' heads and force them to buy their phones? No?

This is a terribly oversimplified outlook on things and, to round it off, I believe an attempt at a strawman argument from you. Sure they don't force you into purchasing a phone at gunpoint - I never said that. What they do force you into is this: "either get a phone from us (price in contract), or spend an extra 500EUR on a phone you want (which is certainly not worth the extra money)."

Then why is it anyone else's fault but the consumer?

Because the balance of power is strongly to the carriers' benefit. There are only three carriers in my country, two major ones and one small one (with a shitty network). Don't like their services? Well, sure, you may use the landline, if you like. They can do without one customer, but can you do without any mobile phone? In today's world? I think you now understand, that the situation is a bit more complicated.

That's the problem these days... it's easier to blame government and large corporations for all of your bad decisions, instead of taking some f**king responsibility for your actions.

Ouch, sounds like a hit a bit of a republican nerve here...

Don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for an overpriced phone plan? Then don't buy one. The shit ain't air... you don't have to have it.

Ah, the good old "it's either my way or the highway" excuse - the ditch-it resolution to a problem. I can play that game too: "Don't like your government's policies? Vote with your feet and leave! That'll teach them." Or: "Gas prices too high for you? Take the bus! I'm sure public transport will improve just because of you any moment now."

Note: Don't misunderstand me... I have a smartphone too, but I also get a lot of use out of it beyond mere entertainment, so for me, it is worth the price I pay for it.

Me too, but who gives you the right to decide that your "work" usage is more important that those who use it for mere entertainment?

edit: grammer fial

Edited 2011-12-24 18:29 UTC

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

This is a terribly oversimplified outlook on things and, to round it off, I believe an attempt at a strawman argument from you. Sure they don't force you into purchasing a phone at gunpoint - I never said that. What they do force you into is this: "either get a phone from us (price in contract), or spend an extra 500EUR on a phone you want (which is certainly not worth the extra money)."

Well, myself I choose not to buy any phone that I can't afford myself.

1/It's more healthy than those phones which are affortable together with expensive 12- and 24-month phone contracts, which is basically the same as subscribing to a bank credit for a mere phone, and
2/Carrier customization is really something I don't want on my phone. Ever. And iProducts are not for me.

I can understand why other people would choose otherwise though. Shiny high-end tech is shiny ;)

Edited 2011-12-25 00:06 UTC

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

They can do without one customer, but can you do without any mobile phone? In today's world? I think you now understand, that the situation is a bit more complicated.


There are millions of people in the world without a mobile phone. As far as I know, none of them have keeled over and died.

Ouch, sounds like a hit a bit of a republican nerve here...


LOL, republican? Surely you jest.

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