Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 2nd Jan 2012 19:12 UTC
GNU, GPL, Open Source Late last year, president Obama signed a law that makes it possible to indefinitely detain terrorist suspects without any form of trial or due process. Peaceful protesters in Occupy movements all over the world have been labelled as terrorists by the authorities. Initiatives like SOPA promote diligent monitoring of communication channels. Thirty years ago, when Richard Stallman launched the GNU project, and during the three decades that followed, his sometimes extreme views and peculiar antics were ridiculed and disregarded as paranoia - but here we are, 2012, and his once paranoid what-ifs have become reality.
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jared_wilkes
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2011-04-25

Sure. I would say it is far more the norm that I am inspired and curious about something that I can use or take part in first but don't understand rather than the cases where I actually need to learn about it and understand it before I can make use of it.

Do you actually think there is no way a kid can be inspired to program for iOS after using an iPad because it is not open source?

Edited 2012-01-03 05:13 UTC

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

jared_wilkes,

"Sure. I would say it is far more the norm that I am inspired and curious about something that I can use or take part in first but don't understand rather than the cases where I actually need to learn about it and understand it before I can make use of it."

Your speaking against openness - the very concept which would enable you to experiment and learn. Contrary to your claims, being open doesn't make things more difficult to use. What is your evidence of such causation? Difficulty and openness are two separate variables.

"Do you actually think there is no way a kid can be inspired to program for iOS after using an iPad because it is not open source?"

Yes, actually; whether your talking about computers, tablets, phones, cars, etc, the inability to tinker will hinder and dissuade independent developers, including kids who would like to learn.

Before we go further we need to be mindful of the differences between open devices and open source. You slipped in the term "source" in your post, but to me it's just as important for computing devices to be unrestricted by DRM and walled gardens.

Edited 2012-01-03 06:00 UTC

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jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

"Your speaking against openness - the very concept which would enable you to experiment and learn."

No, I'm not. I'm merely arguing against the idea that not being open prevents curiosity and inspiration.

"Contrary to your claims, being open doesn't make things more difficult to use."

No, but it often does.

"What is your evidence of such causation? Difficulty and openness are two separate variables."

I didn't say one causes the other nor did I say they are the same variable. I am responding to the above comment saying that there is zero incentive to be inspired to learn about technology or programming from closed devices or closed source software which I think is nonsense. However, again based on views like those presented in the one I am replying to, it is not difficult to see why using/understanding open source software (or devices) is often more difficult than doing the same with closed ones.

"Yes, actually; whether your talking about computers, tablets, phones, cars, etc, the inability to tinker will hinder and dissuade independent developers, including kids who would like to learn."

Nonsense.

"Before we go further we need to be mindful of the differences between open devices and open source. You slipped in the term "source" in your post, but to me it's just as important for computing devices to be unrestricted by DRM and walled gardens."

To me the distinction is irrelevant. Open devices or source code is not inherently more or less inspiring or curiosity-producing than closed ones.

Edited 2012-01-03 06:27 UTC

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