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RE[4]: Flash usage
by Soulbender on Sun 8th Jan 2012 06:30 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Flash usage"
Soulbender
Member since:
2005-08-18

SPDY is not good in the sense that with Google Services Chrome looks like it is faster.


How is that not good?

Chrome kinda uses it secretly, which means things like gmail etc run faster than they do in other browsers.


Again, how is that not good?

Yeah it is an "open" standard but only Google are using it.


Blame those not using it, not those that do.

Edited 2012-01-08 06:31 UTC

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RE[5]: Flash usage
by lucas_maximus on Mon 9th Jan 2012 10:14 in reply to "RE[4]: Flash usage"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Because it makes it appear that Google Services work faster in Chrome.

TBH SPDY on its own isn't a problem, instant pages only works in Chrome.

SPDY is only one example of where they are doing it.

I honestly thought we got away from this "It works better in <browser x>", that is a relic of the 1990s. Now I have actually seen some pages that say "Works best in Chrome" ... brilliant ... Browser Wars II

Edited 2012-01-09 10:19 UTC

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RE[6]: Flash usage
by Lennie on Mon 9th Jan 2012 11:38 in reply to "RE[5]: Flash usage"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

Because it makes it appear that Google Services work faster in Chrome.

TBH SPDY on its own isn't a problem, instant pages only works in Chrome.

SPDY is only one example of where they are doing it.


Sure instant pages only works in Chrome currently, AFAIK.

Interresting enough I do not see it being used in Google Search with Chrome currently (!)

There is nothing stopping other sites and browser vendors also implementing it.

As you can see it shows up in draft form on the W3C site before they announced it:

"2 June 2011"

"This is a First Public Working Draft of "Page Visibility"."

http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-page-visibility-20110602/

"June 14, 2011"

http://blog.chromium.org/2011/06/prerendering-in-chrome.html
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/knocking-down-barriers-to-kn...

There is a white paper which talks about it from a date I don't know:

http://code.google.com/chrome/whitepapers/prerender.html

Microsoft also wanted atleast the Page Visibility API, not sure what their angle was:

http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Performance/PageVisibility/Defaul...

Firefox 10 (currently beta) also supports it, here is a test page:

http://davidwalsh.name/dw-content/page-visibility.php

I honestly thought we got away from this "It works better in ", that is a relic of the 1990s. Now I have actually seen some pages that say "Works best in Chrome" ... brilliant ... Browser Wars II


Stupid people that build things which should work cross-browser but don't or make stupid claims are not something Google did. And people who work at browser vendors and on specifications moan about it on Twitter too so I don't think any of them encourage it.

A bigger problem is: having Apple create some CSS3/HTML5 demos on their site ( http://www.apple.com/html5/ ) and specifically blocking other browsers than Safari even though they support the specifications.

Obviously demos are not real sites and people have to be really clear about that.

It seems they have improved the site, now at specific parts of certain demos it says:

"Download Safari to view 3D transforms.

The 3D transforms in this demo are not yet supported by Firefox. If you’d like to experience these transitions, simply download Safari. It’s free for Mac and PC, and it only takes a few minutes."

or

"Enable GPU Accelerated Compositing in Chrome to view 3D transforms.
The 3D transforms in this demo are only supported by Chrome if you enable GPU Accelerated Compositing.

If you’d like to experience these transitions:

Open a new tab in Chrome with the URL “about:flags”
Click on Enable GPU Accelerated Compositing
Restart Chrome
Watch it again"

But it should never have happend.

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RE[5]: Flash usage
by zima on Fri 13th Jan 2012 23:51 in reply to "RE[4]: Flash usage"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

> SPDY is not good in the sense that with Google Services Chrome looks like it is faster.

How is that not good?

> Chrome kinda uses it secretly, which means things like gmail etc run faster than they do in other browsers.

Again, how is that not good?

> Yeah it is an "open" standard but only Google are using it.

Blame those not using it, not those that do.

Well it is somewhat reminiscent of Embrace, Extend...

I mean, come on, Opera is one of the most standards complaint browsers (also according to Chrome guys! http://blog.chromium.org/2010/03/does-your-browser-behave.html ), but it often works horrible / borderline unusable in js-heavy Google services; and now they're starting to neglect other browsers too, I hear.

Right now, for example, Gmail is basically broken - well, at least its js version ...and, again, that's despite Chromium guys claiming not a long time ago (when Gmail also worked poorly in Opera) that Opera is most standards-compliant in js!

Seems to me it's at least somewhat akin to bundling of IE in the case of Microsoft - strength in one area propping up another, and not strictly by virtue.

Edited 2012-01-14 00:09 UTC

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