Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 16th Jan 2012 22:55 UTC
Google "The fragmentation of Android is very real and very problematic for end users, developers, mobile operators, device manufacturers, and Google. However fragmentation does not mean Android is going to 'die' or 'fail' as some seem to think. On the contrary I think we can count on Android playing a significant role in our world for a long, long time. I also am confident that Google has already lost control of Android and has zero chance of regaining control. This post explains why I'm so confident about this."
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RE[8]: Divided We Fall
by unclefester on Tue 17th Jan 2012 08:46 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: Divided We Fall"
unclefester
Member since:
2007-01-13

Don't burst into tears Princess.

You claim to be a Linux admin and then try and scare everyone with highly implausible nightmare scenarios. Do you use Fedora daily builds for production environments?

I'm not saying Linux is perfect but most of your comments are pure BS.

Fact: It only takes 30-60 minutes to get a fully functional desktop system up and running with any of the mainstream Linux distros. In contrast a new Windows install is basically useless.

Fact: It is extremely easy to upgrade or even totally replace a distro as long as you use a separate home partition.

Fact: It takes hundreds of hours to have even a reasonable understanding how an OS works "under the hood". [It takes thousands of hours to be an expert]. Linux is very different to Windows. If you allow an untrained Linux user administration privileges they are guaranteed to fsck their install. Ignorance is not the fault of the OS.

Fact: It is not necessary to upgrade to the latest and greatest version of a distro. In reality the hard drive in a home PC will normally fail before the distro support period ends.

Fact: Enterprise level distros eg RHEL have extremely long support cycles of 7-10 years (as long as Windows).

Fact: Linux provides the source code so you can patch or update any code even after the support period ends. [Try doing that with Windows].

Fact: You can't expect a a purist FOSS (Debian) home consumer (non-LTS Ubuntu) or bleeding edge (Fedora) distro to be used in a production environment without some hassles. That isn't their intended role.

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RE[9]: Divided We Fall
by arokh on Tue 17th Jan 2012 09:29 in reply to "RE[8]: Divided We Fall"
arokh Member since:
2008-01-29

Who are you trying to fool? The year of the Linux desktop never arrived.

- A LOT of hardware have issues under Linux, or require drivers that are difficult to install. Not to mention never tailored to whatever distro the user is running.

- Distribution fragmentation is one thing, but what about desktop fragmentation? GNOME 3.x, Unity, KDE 4.x, XFCE... It's all a mess.

- You claim there is nothing you can do on a default Windows installation. Well, at least you can install flash/java/multimedia codecs painlessly by answering yes when going to a site. I mean, Synaptic is great for technical users but grandma can forget about it.

- None of your "facts" about how easy it is to use Linux applies for normal users. You are looking at it through your own eyes, you fail to see Linux from a non -techincal users point of view.

- When faced by superior arguments from sbergman27 you react by claiming that he is not a Linux user? Just... Wow.

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RE[10]: Divided We Fall
by r_a_trip on Tue 17th Jan 2012 12:00 in reply to "RE[9]: Divided We Fall"
r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

Mr. Bergman isn't making any superior arguments. He is mixing and matching use scenarios with different target audience distro's and painting a far bleaker picture of Linux than is actually the case.

I for one don't care how many enterprise desktops Mr. Bergman administers. He might administer 100, 1,000 or 1,000,000. That is a large scale deployment with specific, specialised use cases for the enterprise.

The wonderful horror stories of fragmentation from an end user perspective simply doesn't exist. Be it a Linux distro or Android version X. If an end user has version X, he has version X.

Non-tech, consumer end users work, live and breathe version X and they will continue to do so until either the software they want to install from the friendly software center doesn't install anymore or a techie tells them they need version X+1.

All the horrible things that can go wrong with dist-upgrade, do go wrong on a daily basis. I just wonder why ordinairy, everyday people opt to go the dist-upgrade route in a consumer setting. Just put that damn /home directory on that separate partition, blow away the .directories who's settings you don't want to keep and do a clean install in about 30 minutes and be done with it.

Yes, there is an awful lot of hardware out there that doesn't play nice with Linux. The big question in my mind is always why people keep bothering to torture themselves with non working hardware under Linux for days on end, when a wonderfully working replacement part usually can be had for scraps. If you can't afford to replace a small piece of hardware, you simply can't afford computing.

Do some research before plonking down money and taking home a shiney piece of excrement that doesn't give you any Linux pleasure. My machines and the ones I administer for my family simply don't give any grief hardware-wise. Then again, they only receive supported hardware.

While appealing to authority and belittling all two bit Linux pollyannas must feel good, it doesn't help a prospective new Linux user. We do after all help some of the grandmother's and uncle's with their computers. Does Mr. Bergman do the same?

This just coming from a two bit Linux pollyanna, who simply doesn't see the big horror story for home users in the non-enterprise world.

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RE[9]: Divided We Fall
by sbergman27 on Tue 17th Jan 2012 16:50 in reply to "RE[8]: Divided We Fall"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

I'm not saying Linux is perfect

Good. Because the Linux desktop market has been stuck at 0.5% to 0.75% for over a decade:

http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-200807-201201

Despite all your hand-waving about how easy it is, it's never gotten past square one. Especially embarrassing for a free (as in beer) set of offerings. This strongly suggests that there are some problems. Among them are the fragmentation issues I've mentioned. (Horizontally, between extant distros, and temporally, between successive versions.) A disregard of the user experience. (Something else is always "even more important" in key areas.) And a stubborn refusal by members of the perpetually tiny Linux Desktop community to even admit that there is a problem.

Sometimes I don't know why I bother.

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