Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 20th Jan 2012 23:40 UTC, submitted by DrillSgt
Internet & Networking Supposedly we've won today. Both the PROTECT-IP Act in the Senate and the Stop Online Piracy Act in the House of Representatives have been shelved by their respective sponsors. However, these acts have been shelved before, and the bags of money sent to DC didn't suddenly devalue, so I'm sure the next SOPA is being written as we speak. What did make me happy, though, was Neelie Kroes: the EU commissioner for the digital agenda has unambiguously distanced herself from SOPA, which she calls "bad legislation". Obama, the next time you want to make a statement with teeth, just wait for Kroes to do it for you.
Thread beginning with comment 504105
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
Not done yet
by mdoverkil on Sat 21st Jan 2012 01:23 UTC
mdoverkil
Member since:
2005-09-30

As Thom mentioned this is FAR from over. They'll just attach the SOPA/PIPA provisions to a bill that would be political suicide to not vote in favor of. Probably like a child protection bill or something along those lines.

This way the sponsors can say "You don't support protecting children? what are you a monster?" And then all the politicians except for a few will fall in lock-step

Reply Score: 7

H.R. 1981 is Next!
by bornagainenguin on Sat 21st Jan 2012 05:51 in reply to "Not done yet"
bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

mdoverkil speculated correctly....

As Thom mentioned this is FAR from over. They'll just attach the SOPA/PIPA provisions to a bill that would be political suicide to not vote in favor of. Probably like a child protection bill or something along those lines.

This way the sponsors can say "You don't support protecting children? what are you a monster?" And then all the politicians except for a few will fall in lock-step


How did you know? It's called H.R. 1981, the Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act of 2011...somehow I just can't imagine any of our politicians voting against it for the very reasons you gave. The attack ads practically write themselves.

Oh look, its sponsored by our pal Rep Lamar Smith...imagine that...

--bornagainpenguin

Reply Parent Score: 5

RE: Not done yet
by Doc Pain on Sat 21st Jan 2012 12:09 in reply to "Not done yet"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

This way the sponsors can say "You don't support protecting children? what are you a monster?" And then all the politicians except for a few will fall in lock-step


If they don't play the "children card", they have many others in the deck that work (and I'm sure they'll try them first because the "children card" is so 100 percent successful that it's often considered for the last chance). How about those:

"Don't you want to live in freedom anymore? If you want the Internet to be free, our officials must have the power and the right to force freedom wherever we feel it's required."

"Do you want the evil communism of the Internet to invade our courtry? Don't you realize that *insert pro-SOPA/PIPA company names here* protect the Internet from villains?"

"Do you really want to abandon democracy? The Internet can ony be democratic when it obeys US law everywhere!"

In Thom's article there is a paragraph that sounds quite familiar, when put in relation to Germany's past. Then the national-socialist movement became "polular" in the 1930's, similar words have been used. I'll try to illustrate what I'm thinking of, using a very impolite example, I know.

Senator Patrick Leahy: "In the meantime, more time will pass with jobs lost and economies hurt by foreign criminals who are stealing American intellectual property, and selling it back to American consumers,"

Random NS propaganda representative: "While Germany is paying for reparations, our economy is suffering. It's the jews that are responsible. Our problems all come from foreign countries. They are draining our resources and are therefore hurting the German citizens."

I'm sure you can see the parallels. The next sentence can also match this argumentation scheme: Blaming someone else for the own faults while emphasizing the own matters being fully innocent.

Now keep in mind that it was very hard for me to write that harsh claim!

I'm really sad to see that a U. S. Senator, a person you should assume knows about history (also about foreign history!) is able to make such a statement. Okay, maybe some PR consulting company has written those lines for him, developed by young dynamic group-oriented elastic-legged program managers. :-)

Reply Parent Score: 5

RE[2]: Not done yet
by Neolander on Sat 21st Jan 2012 13:11 in reply to "RE: Not done yet"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

I have to say, this is the most elegant way of Godwin-ing a comment thread which I have ever seen so far ;)

(And it bears some truth, too, but shhh...)

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[2]: Not done yet
by Soulbender on Sun 22nd Jan 2012 08:49 in reply to "RE: Not done yet"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"Do you want the evil communism of the Internet to invade our courtry?"


Personally I love this one. In most other countries communism and communists are part of the political landscape, having various degrees of influence. Heck, even many well-respected people are communists. In the U.S it is like some kind of foreign virus or something that you have heard about but never really experienced but good golly, we must keep it away.

I'll try to illustrate what I'm thinking of, using a very impolite example, I know.


I thought it most very illustrating. Might also want to read Sinclair Lewis' "it can't happen here" which is still chillingly current.

I'm really sad to see that a U. S. Senator, a person you should assume knows about history (also about foreign history!) is able to make such a statement.


Personally I would never expect a U.S senator to know about history, especially foreign history. For some reason this all makes me think of 'General' Midwinter in "Billion Dollar Brain".
http://bit.ly/x2EwcO

Edited 2012-01-22 08:52 UTC

Reply Parent Score: 5