Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 20th Jan 2012 23:40 UTC, submitted by DrillSgt
Internet & Networking Supposedly we've won today. Both the PROTECT-IP Act in the Senate and the Stop Online Piracy Act in the House of Representatives have been shelved by their respective sponsors. However, these acts have been shelved before, and the bags of money sent to DC didn't suddenly devalue, so I'm sure the next SOPA is being written as we speak. What did make me happy, though, was Neelie Kroes: the EU commissioner for the digital agenda has unambiguously distanced herself from SOPA, which she calls "bad legislation". Obama, the next time you want to make a statement with teeth, just wait for Kroes to do it for you.
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RE[5]: Not done yet
by B. Janssen on Sun 22nd Jan 2012 13:53 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Not done yet"
B. Janssen
Member since:
2006-10-11

It seems that half a century after, the wounds of WWII are still too fresh. Japanese works of fiction still tend to carefully avoid featuring atomic bombs, declarations that modern political campaigns have been invented at the NSDAP are still perceived as trolls, and if you go to Germany or Israel it is still a good idea to avoid mentioning that Nazis were elected in the name of hope during an economic crisis, under any circumstance.


I can't talk about Israel, but what makes you think the bolded part is an accurate depiction of German public discourse? It certainly does not reflect my experience.

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RE[6]: Not done yet
by Neolander on Mon 23rd Jan 2012 08:24 in reply to "RE[5]: Not done yet"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

That Germans have gone as far as removing words from their vocabulary and forbidding National-Socialist parties to be present at elections in their quest to forget ?

I agree that I should have put a "I think" or a "probably" around this one though.

Edited 2012-01-23 08:29 UTC

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RE[7]: Not done yet
by B. Janssen on Tue 24th Jan 2012 11:22 in reply to "RE[6]: Not done yet"
B. Janssen Member since:
2006-10-11

Thanks for your answer. However, I can't fail to note that your answer does not correspond to the statement in your previous post.

That German law allows parties to be banned for violating the constitution is a cornerstone of the "fighting democracy" that was established as a result of the lessons learned from a mostly defenceless Weimar Republic. If anything it is the open admission that the NSDAP was voted into power.

I only know of forbidden symbols but I'm not aware of any forbidden terms. There are a number of terms that are frowned upon in public discourse, that's right and there is the criminal case of "Volksverhetzung" which targets ideas or concepts, not specific wording. However, I can't see how this can be considered "hush-hushing" the subject. It seems to me careless use of frowned-upon terms has ended more than one politicians career because of the public outcry. So apparently the people are aware.

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RE[7]: Not done yet
by zima on Fri 27th Jan 2012 23:53 in reply to "RE[6]: Not done yet"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't see it as a quest to forget (and I look from a country which was among the most impacted by WW2 - that's gotta count for something, with such perceptions?*) - the other way of looking at it: it's hard to find a place which is more conscious about those issues; about what led to them doing WW2.
It might seem also like "we're doing those measures..." (some you mention) "...& so we constantly remind ourselves why we're doing them" - a way by which the issue is near the forefront, makes people remember.

Maybe even self-tormenting themselves, a bit - you can sort of see it in their cinema, for example.

(it is different, worse in some parts of ex-DDR... but that's a separate issue; for one, the regime there simply decided to pretend like the whole thing was in the past, didn't really address it)

In contrast, few other countries I'm familiar with largely go: "nah, can't happen here, that's a German problem" - witness neo-Nazis in Russia for example... but people even often have a cognitive block from calling such Nazis or fascists (yes, not strictly the same thing, but it is the same in popular perceptions) - "what fascists? That's a German thing!" ("funnily" enough, communism is somewhat more of DE origin, but alas...)


*Well, though I'm not very representative: notably in context, I'm a bit of a mix of nationalities which... were most involved in the mess of WW2, in the area - but maybe that makes me more "neutral"? ;p (and yeah, brings forward the question "so how did your ancestors manage to hook up, instead of killing each other or smth, in that first half of XX century?")

Edited 2012-01-28 00:12 UTC

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