Linked by Howard Fosdick on Wed 25th Jan 2012 06:58 UTC
Editorial Why do people troll? Can we prevent trolling or limit the damage trolls do? Here are some thoughts on trollology derived from academic studies and web research.
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RE: Trolls
by theosib on Wed 25th Jan 2012 14:21 UTC in reply to "Trolls"
theosib
Member since:
2006-03-02

It is perfectly possible to express a controvercial viewpoint in a polite enough way that others will be willing to politely disagree and not mod you down.

Consider extremists like fundamentalists. I disagree with them. But I'm only irritated by those who are both insistent on bringing me to their viewpoint and completely unwilling to discuss it rationally. That insistence can turn into coercion, and it gets really bad. People who use politics to push their viewpoint into the educational system, for instance, are trolls. On forums, trolls do this by making everyone who disagrees with them out to be some kind of moron.

It takes some effort to color your words politely, and I don't do it perfectly myself, but those who actually care about being heard will put some work into it. It's not about being right or wrong. It's about being NICE. I just don't see the point of calling people names.

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RE[2]: Trolls
by lucas_maximus on Wed 25th Jan 2012 19:28 in reply to "RE: Trolls"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

It is perfectly possible to express a controvercial viewpoint in a polite enough way that others will be willing to politely disagree and not mod you down.


No it isn't. No on the internet it isn't.

On another level, when someone does try to be expressive in a collective, Web 2.0 context, she must prioritize standing out from the crowd. To do anything else is to be invisible. Therefore, people become artificially caustic, flattering, or otherwise manipulative.


http://www.amazon.com/You-Are-Not-Gadget-Manifesto/dp/0307269647

There is no other way I can say my piece IMHO than to be very aggressive otherwise I am ignored. It is very true.

Also the majority of people posting have absolutely no idea what they are on about.

The majority of articles on this website is written by someone who has no idea about Software Engineering practices or basic Ideas about Specifications and Testing.

I think Thom once had a go at me saying you can't know what a application is doing if you don't have the source code. In fact there is a whole field of testing called "Blackbox" testing that is dedicated to this.

If he read maybe some basic texts on the subject such as the "Art of Software Testing" (I have the first edition that talks about Fortran a lot).

It is honestly a sad state when you cannot express your opinion without basically having to be in someone elses face.

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RE[3]: Trolls
by Fergy on Thu 26th Jan 2012 13:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Trolls"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

You are a lot less obvious with your example of trolling and you wrap it within some truths. Very well done.

No it isn't. No on the internet it isn't.

Posting inaccurate "facts",Pithy put-downs
There is no other way I can say my piece IMHO than to be very aggressive otherwise I am ignored. It is very true.

Posting inaccurate "facts", Emotional rants
Also the majority of people posting have absolutely no idea what they are on about.

Name-calling and insults
The majority of articles on this website is written by someone who has no idea about Software Engineering practices or basic Ideas about Specifications and Testing.

Ad hominem attacks that try to negate an opinion by alleging negatives about the person supporting it
I think Thom once had a go at me saying you can't know what a application is doing if you don't have the source code. In fact there is a whole field of testing called "Blackbox" testing that is dedicated to this.

Completely off-topic posts, Posting inaccurate "facts", Ad hominem
If he read maybe some basic texts on the subject such as the "Art of Software Testing" (I have the first edition that talks about Fortran a lot).

Name-calling and insults, Ad hominem

It is honestly a sad state when you cannot express your opinion without basically having to be in someone elses face.

Emotional rants

If I missed one I would like to know

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