Linked by Howard Fosdick on Wed 25th Jan 2012 06:58 UTC
Editorial Why do people troll? Can we prevent trolling or limit the damage trolls do? Here are some thoughts on trollology derived from academic studies and web research.
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RE[2]: Trolls
by lucas_maximus on Wed 25th Jan 2012 19:28 UTC in reply to "RE: Trolls"
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

It is perfectly possible to express a controvercial viewpoint in a polite enough way that others will be willing to politely disagree and not mod you down.


No it isn't. No on the internet it isn't.

On another level, when someone does try to be expressive in a collective, Web 2.0 context, she must prioritize standing out from the crowd. To do anything else is to be invisible. Therefore, people become artificially caustic, flattering, or otherwise manipulative.


http://www.amazon.com/You-Are-Not-Gadget-Manifesto/dp/0307269647

There is no other way I can say my piece IMHO than to be very aggressive otherwise I am ignored. It is very true.

Also the majority of people posting have absolutely no idea what they are on about.

The majority of articles on this website is written by someone who has no idea about Software Engineering practices or basic Ideas about Specifications and Testing.

I think Thom once had a go at me saying you can't know what a application is doing if you don't have the source code. In fact there is a whole field of testing called "Blackbox" testing that is dedicated to this.

If he read maybe some basic texts on the subject such as the "Art of Software Testing" (I have the first edition that talks about Fortran a lot).

It is honestly a sad state when you cannot express your opinion without basically having to be in someone elses face.

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RE[3]: Trolls
by Fergy on Thu 26th Jan 2012 13:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Trolls"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

You are a lot less obvious with your example of trolling and you wrap it within some truths. Very well done.

No it isn't. No on the internet it isn't.

Posting inaccurate "facts",Pithy put-downs
There is no other way I can say my piece IMHO than to be very aggressive otherwise I am ignored. It is very true.

Posting inaccurate "facts", Emotional rants
Also the majority of people posting have absolutely no idea what they are on about.

Name-calling and insults
The majority of articles on this website is written by someone who has no idea about Software Engineering practices or basic Ideas about Specifications and Testing.

Ad hominem attacks that try to negate an opinion by alleging negatives about the person supporting it
I think Thom once had a go at me saying you can't know what a application is doing if you don't have the source code. In fact there is a whole field of testing called "Blackbox" testing that is dedicated to this.

Completely off-topic posts, Posting inaccurate "facts", Ad hominem
If he read maybe some basic texts on the subject such as the "Art of Software Testing" (I have the first edition that talks about Fortran a lot).

Name-calling and insults, Ad hominem

It is honestly a sad state when you cannot express your opinion without basically having to be in someone elses face.

Emotional rants

If I missed one I would like to know

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RE[4]: Trolls
by lucas_maximus on Thu 26th Jan 2012 18:53 in reply to "RE[3]: Trolls"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

You can't troll a troll mate. :trollface:

I see your point. I don't care much for it though.

But if you actually read the Q&A on the book, you might actually understand my motivations for being quite abusive sometimes on here.

Sometimes the only way to be noticed is to be a troll. Sometimes the other person is a f--king idiot.

Especially when you have the "hive mind". I used to be the biggest "Freetard" there was back in 2004 - 2005. I used to use Linux (Slackware) and I used to argue tooth and nail about "freedomz".

I started learning about Software Development in 2004. I remember seeing some guy trying to vain to connect his Gentoo laptop to wireless (and I was trying the same in Slackware) ... the guy released his "homework" under a GPL license ... and this got me thinking.

It has been a long Journey and I pretty much sit for 8 hours a day in front of a computer hacking things from PHP, C#, JS, Perl and a few other things, on my lovely Quad Core Xeon Workstation with dual 24 inch monitors ... while listening to Heavy Metal and I get paid quite well for it. I also use a CentOS and OpenBSD VM if I need some *nix stuff (can't be arsed with cygwin).

So when someone says you are an idiot and you are pretty sure they can't write a line of code or don't know some basic principles that are a well known facts .. you tend to get abusive.

I honestly don't believe there are actually many on the internet in General commenting about tech articles or writing them that have even read some classic Software Engineering texts such as "Code Complete", "The Art of Software Testing", "The Mythical Man Month" and the "Tao of programming" (that load of rubbish seems to become more accurate on a day to day basis in the industry), I am sure there are a few more but I have missed them.

Edited 2012-01-26 19:13 UTC

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