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Themes
by Jason Bourne on Fri 27th Jan 2012 21:14 UTC
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KDE 4 series has become alright, despite some crash here or there. But the lack of new themes on par with Oxygen are the huge low down. We have some poor polished QT themes, but nothing really better than Oxygen, which can be very tiring - all the grey gradient with those ridiculous rounded buttons for its style...

The lack of an specific font seems to be being worked out, but my bet it's that is going to be a little better than GNOME's Cantarell. From a first impression, Ubuntu's fonts remain the best typeface, IMO.

To KDE team: More [embedded] themes and styles, before going to 5 series. Please.

Edited 2012-01-27 21:16 UTC

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RE: Themes
by acobar on Fri 27th Jan 2012 22:05 in reply to "Themes"
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2005-11-15

If you feel a bit "adventurous" you can try the bespin themes.

I now it is also grey, but I like the "bespin detour", inspired by enlightenment detour theme.

Don't know what happened between Thomas and the design team of KDE (he was directly involved on themes creation in the beginning of KDE4 series), but his engine and the themes it support seems to be some of the best on kde-look from the aesthetic point-of-view.

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RE: Themes
by Luminair on Sat 28th Jan 2012 06:22 in reply to "Themes"
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2007-03-30

kde is hideous and the people making it have no taste is what you're saying. judging from the screenshots it appears you are correct

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RE[2]: Themes
by lemur2 on Sat 28th Jan 2012 06:57 in reply to "RE: Themes"
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2007-02-17

kde is hideous and the people making it have no taste is what you're saying. judging from the screenshots it appears you are correct


http://linuxlibrary.org/reviews/kubuntu-11-10-review/

Kubuntu 11.10 Review
By
thinkinhurtz
– December 1, 2011Posted in: Reviews
A masterpiece in asthetics combined with a highly functional desktop environment ensures that the release of a new version of Kubuntu is highly anticipated by many Linux users. For all the Kubuntu lovers, 11.10 brings a long list of improvements that will surely excite everyone. Kubuntu offers something for everybody and is built on the highly stable Ubuntu core. With Kubuntu you have access to all the powerful KDE applications, and the polished KDE Plasma desktop. The interface does not seem to have changed much, but under the hood things are running better than ever. Another excellent release by the Kubuntu team, they never disappoint.


"A masterpiece in asthetics". "Polished KDE Plasma desktop". Clearly the appeal of the look of a desktop OS is something that is purely subjective. Opinions differ wildly.

In light of this, I feel it is always good to have a spread of opinions posted, and then let people decide for themselves.

Another view:
http://www.renewablepcs.com/about-linux/kde-gnome-or-xfce
KDE is arguably the most powerful, versatile, smoothly integrated, and visually pleasing of all the Linux desktops and has more point-and-click customization options and "eye candy" than GNOME, Xfce, or LXDE. With its Plasma Workspaces, users can easily add a variety of widgets to the desktop. While KDE is more polished in appearance than GNOME, Xfce, or LXDE, it is also more resource-hungry. On the other hand, KDE requires less system resources than Ubuntu's Unity and less RAM than the GNOME 3.x shell.


"KDE is more polished in appearance than GNOME, Xfce, or LXDE"

Everyone has a different opinion. By no means is it a prevailing view that KDE is hideous. Quite the opposite, actually, is the opinion often expressed.

Edited 2012-01-28 07:04 UTC

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RE[2]: Themes
by Soulbender on Sat 28th Jan 2012 09:32 in reply to "RE: Themes"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

What screenshot?

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RE: Themes
by siride on Sat 28th Jan 2012 07:10 in reply to "Themes"
siride Member since:
2006-01-02

QtCurve is still around and far superior to Oxygen, but I don't know if the guy'll keep updating.

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RE: Themes
by lemur2 on Sat 28th Jan 2012 07:36 in reply to "Themes"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

KDE 4 series has become alright, despite some crash here or there. But the lack of new themes on par with Oxygen are the huge low down. We have some poor polished QT themes, but nothing really better than Oxygen, which can be very tiring - all the grey gradient with those ridiculous rounded buttons for its style...

The lack of an specific font seems to be being worked out, but my bet it's that is going to be a little better than GNOME's Cantarell. From a first impression, Ubuntu's fonts remain the best typeface, IMO.

To KDE team: More [embedded] themes and styles, before going to 5 series. Please.


This KDE4 user recommends the "h2o" theme.

http://asininetech.com/2012/01/27/why-kde-is-the-future/

Perhaps that would be worth a shot for you?

Edited 2012-01-28 07:36 UTC

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RE[2]: Themes
by Soulbender on Sat 28th Jan 2012 09:34 in reply to "RE: Themes"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

He's not talking about Plasma themes (of which there is certainly no shortage) but widget styles.

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RE[2]: Themes
by Jason Bourne on Sat 28th Jan 2012 22:18 in reply to "RE: Themes"
Jason Bourne Member since:
2007-06-02

Perhaps that would be worth a shot for you?


Well, apart from the transparency & style different in the taskbar, I don't see any changes on the window title button styles and the boring flat gradient gray.

I have the opinion that Oxygen could reach perfection if:

1) Window buttons were like in gnome-shell's adwaita, with a corresponding color when you hover the pointer on them.

2) Dialog buttons abolish the icons.

3) Possibly not include or turn off icons on menus for the KDE UI, but not for applications, at a first glance...

4) Bigger dialog buttons would help too. I think they are too small. (and no, I won't try Qt emulation of GTK).

5) An intermediate cursor size in oxygene cursor theme - there is default (small) and big, which is really huge IMO. There should be an intermediate size between these two.

Edited 2012-01-28 22:21 UTC

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RE: Themes
by Soulbender on Sat 28th Jan 2012 09:31 in reply to "Themes"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

but nothing really better than Oxygen, which can be very tiring - all the grey gradient with those ridiculous rounded buttons for its style...


Change the colors to something other than grey?
But yeah, there seems to be a bit lack of themes but since I like Oxygen it's not something that bothers me.
Bespin and qtcurve are still around though and they're quite configurable.

From a first impression, Ubuntu's fonts remain the best typeface, IMO.


Personally I am not all that fond of the Ubuntu font but to each their own.

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RE[2]: Themes
by Jason Bourne on Sat 28th Jan 2012 22:25 in reply to "RE: Themes"
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2007-06-02

I am yet to see on this entire forum a single post that you agree with.

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RE: Themes
by nunopinheiro on Sat 28th Jan 2012 13:20 in reply to "Themes"
nunopinheiro Member since:
2007-10-07

Unfortunately, doing themes in Qt, complex one that manage color configuration, animations, shadows, good AA is not trivial stuff... And requires 2 things, Good designers, and better Coders.
Note that Oxygen Is AFIK the only QT, GTK, GTK2 theme that exists, and that loses no reconfigurability or significant features in any of the engines...

Its not the most exiting theme in the world, it was design to last the entire 4.x series, far more than any KDE theme until today. and doing that without becoming annoying or distractive wile pushing the frontiers of what we do and how we arrange apps in KDE.... I must say that I believe Oxygen to be a massive success, Never in KDE history as a theme lasted this long and pleasing so many, and at the same time being so discretely innovative in the amount of things a theme does in OSS.

With the advent of QML and QML components that might change... But don't expect anything revolutionary, in terms of volume of themes, Good configurable themes are still alot of work, specially if they are meant to be colorable..

Soon we will start talking about KDE 5.0 and what needs to be done for that, honestly Wen i started This fantastic experience I said I would only do the 4.x series and im not sure what will happen next, but I hope its something Fantastic.
Overall I'm incredibly happy with of he job we managed to do with a incredible small team of volunteers.

I will keep on working on oxygen several facets up until the last day of its existence.

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RE[2]: Themes
by Hiev on Sat 28th Jan 2012 17:54 in reply to "RE: Themes"
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

Oxygen is a good default theme that need polish some rought edges, like IMHO the abuse of rounded corners, the use of rect corners here and there would make it more elegant.

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RE[2]: Themes
by acobar on Sat 28th Jan 2012 20:54 in reply to "RE: Themes"
acobar Member since:
2005-11-15

Even though I use bespin from time to time I must say that I really like the overall default look of KDE4. To me it is by far the best DE of them all. Are there some glitches that should be fixed? Yes, there are. But if I weight all things together nor Windows 7 nor OS X are as good to me, despite both of them be very good too.

Thank you very much for all effort you, the oxygen team and all other developers have put on creating KDE4.

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RE[2]: Themes
by Luminair on Sun 29th Jan 2012 15:32 in reply to "RE: Themes"
Luminair Member since:
2007-03-30

Unfortunately, doing themes in Qt, complex one that manage color configuration, animations, shadows, good AA is not trivial stuff... And requires 2 things, Good designers, and better Coders.


Well that explains why there are so few passable KDE themes. (only one?)

An open source desktop should have artists flocking to it to create. Does KDE?

Unfortunately for KDE, being a good artist is not enough. You've explained something the KDE team screwed up. Themes so difficult to create that only the original theme ninja can do it.

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