Linked by David Adams on Tue 14th Feb 2012 17:25 UTC, submitted by Anonymous
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu It looks like a new "locally integrated menu" will make it into Unity, starting with version 5.6.0. There's basically no information about the new locally integrated menubar, except for two bug reports which link to some custom Unity, Compiz, Metacity and Light Themes branches so to see "LIM" in action, I've compiled all these branches and here's the result. The "locally integrated menubar" can be displayed on the panel (for maximized windows) as well as in the window decoration (unmaximized windows). But it's not displayed on both in the same time.
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RE: Comment by Luminair
by BallmerKnowsBest on Wed 15th Feb 2012 16:27 UTC in reply to "Comment by Luminair"
BallmerKnowsBest
Member since:
2008-06-02

How about we (the human race) make user interfaces so easy to redesign that any artist can do it. Then maybe we'll see some real work done, rather than just programmers shuffling buttons around.


Artists should never EVER be allowed to do the work of actual designers. Designers have to consider form AND function, while artists almost always choose form OVER function (see also: Apple).

You just have to look at the last few years of UI trends (especially on the web) to see what happens when artists try to design UI. The priorities are clearly: above all else, make it pretty, then make it functional... maybe, eventually, if there's some time left over.

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RE[2]: Comment by Luminair
by ilovebeer on Wed 15th Feb 2012 16:49 in reply to "RE: Comment by Luminair"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

Artists should never EVER be allowed to do the work of actual designers. Designers have to consider form AND function, while artists almost always choose form OVER function (see also: Apple).

I absolutely disagree. I think it's horrible to intentionally restrict someones ability to customize the gui in a way that suits their needs & wants. In terms of functionality, not everybody works the same so why would you assume they do and force a single layout on them? People by and large are the best judges when it comes to what works best _for them_...

You just have to look at the last few years of UI trends (especially on the web) to see what happens when artists try to design UI. The priorities are clearly: above all else, make it pretty, then make it functional... maybe, eventually, if there's some time left over.

So what. If a user wants a pretty gui, why shouldn't they 'be allowed' to create one?

I don't discourage anyone's creativity. If they want to take a stab at customizing their own gui, go for it. If they prefer to use premade stuff, go for it.

For a forum that seems so pro-Linux/giving-control-to-the-user, there sure is some irony on display regarding this subject. Then again someone else deciding they know what's best for you is nothing new and clearly nothing is exempt from that desire to be judge & jury.

I own a couple luxury vehicles. All of them have a very nice woodgrain package. This, of course, doesn't do anything for functionality, but it I like it and it makes my experience more enjoyable. I'm certainly glad it was my choice to customize that aspect of my vehicles, and not your decision that I shouldn't be allowed to do so.

Edited 2012-02-15 16:59 UTC

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BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

"Artists should never EVER be allowed to do the work of actual designers. Designers have to consider form AND function, while artists almost always choose form OVER function (see also: Apple).

I absolutely disagree. I think it's horrible to intentionally restrict someones ability to customize the gui in a way that suits their needs & wants. In terms of functionality, not everybody works the same so why would you assume they do and force a single layout on them? People by and large are the best judges when it comes to what works best _for them_...
"

...do you realize that there's actually a difference between customization by END USERS and the INITIAL design of the UI? Free hint for the reading comprehension-impaired: I'm talking about the latter, and instead you're talking about the former.

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