Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 15th Feb 2012 23:36 UTC
Google Forget patent trolling - Android's biggest weakness, and most daunting obstacle to overcome, is its complete and utter lack of updates. Motorola has detailed its upgrade plans for Ice Cream Sandwich - and it ain't good. If the company Google just bought can't even update its phones properly, what can we expect from the rest?
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RE[2]: ICS is a big change...
by _txf_ on Thu 16th Feb 2012 08:48 UTC in reply to "RE: ICS is a big change..."
_txf_
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There is a reason why I advocate Windows Phone 7 and iPhone's but I guess people on this forum (I'm not directing this observation at you btw) will never learn in favour of believing that being an Android fanboy is 'sticking to the man'.


To me as an engineer, it isn't about sticking to the man. It is about being interested in the device I use. WP7 and iOS are appliances, Android is what I consider to be an real operating system (guts exposed).

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RE[3]: ICS is a big change...
by kaiwai on Thu 16th Feb 2012 09:01 in reply to "RE[2]: ICS is a big change..."
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To me as an engineer, it isn't about sticking to the man. It is about being interested in the device I use. WP7 and iOS are appliances, Android is what I consider to be an real operating system (guts exposed).


If they were selling the Galaxy S II for $50 unlocked bootloader, unlocked sim and unsubsidised then I'd be happy for their position of, "screw you, you're on your own" but the reality is that the SII costs in NZ$999 so as a result I expect at least 3 years worth of operating system updates as part of the large sum of money that was handed over initially.

As for the following:

Android is what I consider to be an real operating system (guts exposed).


What a load of crap - call me back when I can download and compile a bog standard vanilla Android source code (kernel and user land) and load it onto a phone without having to jump through a dozen fiery hoops because of locked bootloaders and the vendor refusing to provide the source code to their drivers. "Guts exposed" is a load of crap - if they were exposed I'd be able to do the former without having to hack the living crap out of the source code just to get the thing working on my phone.

Edit: Sorry if I sounded like a bit of a rude prick in the post.

Edited 2012-02-16 09:03 UTC

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RE[4]: ICS is a big change...
by _txf_ on Thu 16th Feb 2012 09:32 in reply to "RE[3]: ICS is a big change..."
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17


What a load of crap - call me back when I can download and compile a bog standard vanilla Android source code (kernel and user land) and load it onto a phone without having to jump through a dozen fiery hoops because of locked bootloaders and the vendor refusing to provide the source code to their drivers. "Guts exposed" is a load of crap - if they were exposed I'd be able to do the former without having to hack the living crap out of the source code just to get the thing working on my phone.

Edit: Sorry if I sounded like a bit of a rude prick in the post.


Certainly you have a point (see my other post), but partially exposed is miles better not exposed.

I am running ICS on my phone (it isn't particularly fast but it IS stable).

AFAIK SGS2 does allow you to unlock the bootloader easily. HTC and SE allow you to do this as well (Ironically not Motorola).

Also as an engineer I don't mind jumping through hoops (compiling etc), it is a tradeoff and part of the fun, If I wanted to stay ignorant I would have gone with WP7 or iOS. Basically I'm advocating against everybody being a dumb consumer and just expecting everything to be fed to them (Imagine if everybody had an iPhone...that would be horrible)

Noted that with closed drivers those hoops do get quite hot at times...

Edited 2012-02-16 09:37 UTC

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