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RE[5]: play/pause on LMB
by Laurence on Tue 21st Feb 2012 14:55 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: play/pause on LMB"
Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26

Media centre apps (like XBMC, Boxee, WMC, etc) are nice if you have the hardware to run them. Most (all?) of the media centre apps out there require skookum 3D graphics cards with working OpenGL/DirectX, meaning you can't grab old (5+ years) PCs and convert them into media centres. But, those same PCs run VLC, Dragon, and other video players without issues, and can be used as HTPCs without issues.

For example, my 2.8 GHz P4 Celeron laptop with an onboard Ati RADEON 7000 graphics chipset cannot run XBMC, Boxee, and similar as it doesn't support OpenGL 1.4+. But, it can decode and play XviD without issues using Dragon Player in KDE4. And all it needs is a wireless mouse. ;)

First of all, media centres can run on older hardware fine. If XBMC can run on a 256MB 700MHz AMD board then it can bloody well run on a 2.8GHz x86 too. In fact for months I ran Boxee on a desktop with half your spec and it ran perfectly fine (thus further proving how meaningless anecdotal evidence is). This was also using a crappy onboard GFX chip too. Plus of my other current XBMC boxes, one is an soft-modded Xbox Original, one is a 4 year old laptop running from an SD card (it was a freebe as the previous owner shattered the LCD and HDD), and the last is powered from an old ATI board I paid ~$20 for a few years ago and which I don't have any hardware acceleration on (I'm running it using open source Linux drivers). Yet all of them (bar the Xbox original - for obvious reasons) plays full 1080p without a single stutter.

However if you're really struggling to get XBMC -or derivatives- playing ball, then just run Elisa, GeeXboX or one of any number of other lightweight media centres. You don't need a fully programmable Python environment to play movies. So Elisa would be more than capable and a lot more usable on a TV than VLC (in fact for a while, I even preferred Elisa to XBMC).

Finally, slapping VLC on a Windows box doesn't make it a HTPC. A HTPC is supposed to be a complete "set top" style solution (like a Sky or Cable DVR). So please don't use the 'HTPC' term to describe any old laptop you hook up to a TV.

Edited 2012-02-21 15:06 UTC

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RE[6]: play/pause on LMB
by phoenix on Tue 21st Feb 2012 15:32 in reply to "RE[5]: play/pause on LMB"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

I call bullshit. The XBMC docs call bullshit. And the XBMC forums are full of threads that call bullshit.

If you do not have OpenGL 1.4+ support in your graphics hardware (meaning an Ati Radeon 9600 or newer or an nVidia GeForce 6000 or newer), you will not be able to run XBMC 10+. Period. Doesn't matter what CPU you have in the box, nor which OS you are running.

Maybe older versions of XBMC worked in the past. But 10 onward require working 3D acceleration. Even just for accessing the menus/GUI.

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RE[7]: play/pause on LMB
by Laurence on Tue 21st Feb 2012 21:08 in reply to "RE[6]: play/pause on LMB"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

I call bullshit. The XBMC docs call bullshit. And the XBMC forums are full of threads that call bullshit.

If you do not have OpenGL 1.4+ support in your graphics hardware (meaning an Ati Radeon 9600 or newer or an nVidia GeForce 6000 or newer), you will not be able to run XBMC 10+. Period. Doesn't matter what CPU you have in the box, nor which OS you are running.

Maybe older versions of XBMC worked in the past. But 10 onward require working 3D acceleration. Even just for accessing the menus/GUI.


It's actually 1.3, not 1.4 and that's likely only something introduced in the last ~18/24 months. (IIRC XBMC underwent a massive overhaul recently). But that's neither here nor there as pretty much every graphics chipset of the last 10 years supports OpenGL 1.3. It's hardly a high level of entry.

Going back to my ~$20 card, maybe those Linux drivers do have some OpenGL libraries then. All I know is any 3D rendering done on that system falls back to software mode so I just assumed i couldn't do any acceleration what so ever. I guess that just goes to show how shoddy graphics drivers are on Linux yet how well XBMC is that it plays ball even when everything else fails.

All of the hardware specs were 100% accurate though - I have no reason to lie nor bullshit you (plus the proof about the ARM board is well publicised). And my point still stands about other media centres available. so even taking the OpenGL 1.3 argument into account, you're still making unbalanced comparisons about the footprint of media centres. so perhaps you should try something other than the latest XBMC-derived code before casting judgement on the entire genre. ;)

Edited 2012-02-21 21:15 UTC

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RE[6]: play/pause on LMB
by Laurence on Tue 21st Feb 2012 21:37 in reply to "RE[5]: play/pause on LMB"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

hmm, upon further reading, I see the confusion.

You're listing of Windows requirements and I'm listing Linux requirements. It seems they differ.

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RE[7]: play/pause on LMB
by phoenix on Tue 21st Feb 2012 23:41 in reply to "RE[6]: play/pause on LMB"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

hmm, upon further reading, I see the confusion.

You're listing of Windows requirements and I'm listing Linux requirements. It seems they differ.


I've tried both Linux and Windows versions of XBMC 10, the requirements are the same.

And you cannot run XBMC 10 on a RADEON 7000, as it does not support enough OpenGL for XBMC to run. You get corrupted cursors, corrupted graphics, videos won't play or just show a black screen.

Yet KDE 4.6 with Dragon Player can play the same videos just fine on that hardware.

Media centre apps have much higher requirements than plain video players. Not everyone needs a fancy media centre. Sometimes a standard desktop with a wireless mouse is enough. And that will work on much older hardware.

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