Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 23rd Feb 2012 17:53 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Jobs called Android a 'stolen product', but theft can be a tricky concept when talking about innovation. The iPhone didn't emerge fully formed from Jobs's head. Rather, it represented the culmination of incremental innovation over decades - much of which occurred outside of Cupertino." Nothing particularly new in there for regular OSNews readers, but still handy to have it in one place.
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RE: Comment by WorknMan
by No it isnt on Thu 23rd Feb 2012 23:21 UTC in reply to "Comment by WorknMan"
No it isnt
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2005-11-14

Not really, although that's the usual fanboy history of things. Apple not having MMS, multitasking, copy & paste, proper notification, a half-decent camera, etc etc etc, and you guys will pretend it's either 1) unneccesary 2) comes with negative impact on Apple's holistic design philosophy, battery life, ease of use etc etc or 3) something they'll come along with once they do it properly since they always do it properly and superior right at the beginning.

Apple is in fact a follower in almost all areas, but with a fan base that will overlook all their shortcomings for the few things they do right, which are the only ones that count. Which makes them the best by default.

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RE[2]: Comment by WorknMan
by WorknMan on Thu 23rd Feb 2012 23:52 in reply to "RE: Comment by WorknMan"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Not really, although that's the usual fanboy history of things. Apple not having MMS, multitasking, copy & paste, proper notification, a half-decent camera, etc etc etc, and you guys will pretend it's either 1) unneccesary 2) comes with negative impact on Apple's holistic design philosophy, battery life, ease of use etc etc or 3) something they'll come along with once they do it properly since they always do it properly and superior right at the beginning.


Yeah, Apple doesn't throw every imaginable bell & whistle into their products, and that's why I have an Android phone ;) But they said, 'Hey, if you want to build a capacitive touch smartpohone, here's how to do it', and their competitors obviously listened.

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RE[3]: Comment by WorknMan
by fran on Fri 24th Feb 2012 00:04 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by WorknMan"
fran Member since:
2010-08-06

How did the 2007 version (both products release year) of Android and iOS compare?
Apple was a product that came from a well known cult brand.
Android came almost from nowhere.
The brand then had no hype value.

Edited 2012-02-24 00:07 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by WorknMan
by Laurence on Fri 24th Feb 2012 02:47 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by WorknMan"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Yeah, Apple doesn't throw every imaginable bell & whistle into their products, and that's why I have an Android phone ;) But they said, 'Hey, if you want to build a capacitive touch smartpohone, here's how to do it', and their competitors obviously listened.

Yeah, but didn't LG get there first?

I wont pretend to have used the LG Prada, but from all accounts I've read, it sounded very much like the first iPhone before the iPhone.

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RE[2]: Comment by WorknMan
by earksiinni on Fri 24th Feb 2012 02:04 in reply to "RE: Comment by WorknMan"
earksiinni Member since:
2009-03-27

Not really, although that's the usual fanboy history of things. Apple not having MMS, multitasking, copy & paste, proper notification, a half-decent camera, etc etc etc, and you guys will pretend it's either 1) unneccesary 2) comes with negative impact on Apple's holistic design philosophy, battery life, ease of use etc etc or 3) something they'll come along with once they do it properly since they always do it properly and superior right at the beginning.

Apple is in fact a follower in almost all areas, but with a fan base that will overlook all their shortcomings for the few things they do right, which are the only ones that count. Which makes them the best by default.


Huh? Are you agreeing with WorknMan or disagreeing with him? It sounds like you're trying to disagree with him, but you've just mostly repeated what he was saying. (Which I agree with.)

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RE[2]: Comment by WorknMan
by leos on Fri 24th Feb 2012 02:25 in reply to "RE: Comment by WorknMan"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

Apple is in fact a follower in almost all areas, but with a fan base that will overlook all their shortcomings for the few things they do right, which are the only ones that count. Which makes them the best by default.


That's the geek's perspective. People who haven't worked in teaching technology have no idea about the value of usability. It trumps everything. Seriously. Having a system that just works is worth dozens of features.

The old argument of "well it's those crazy apple fanboys" may have been plausible 10 years ago when there weren't many Apple users. You can't seriously believe it's all because of the gullible fans when Apple are putting up the sales numbers of today. But that's a common "geek" perspective, that everyone else must be dumber than you are and that's why they make the choices they do.

Edited 2012-02-24 02:30 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by WorknMan
by No it isnt on Fri 24th Feb 2012 17:36 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by WorknMan"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

The "just works" myth of Apple products is just a myth. And if it really existed and really trumped everything, it would have real-world consequences which in fact it does not have. Apple users would be more efficient in the workplace (they are not), they wouldn't need support (they do, often for the most trivial things), in short using Apple would be more economical and efficient, which it is not.

Your "argument" is that people who aren't geeks magically "just know" that it is so, and since geeks just "don't get it", it's simply impossible to discuss these things. I say you're full of shit and cliched marketing tricks.

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RE[2]: Comment by WorknMan
by MysterMask on Sun 26th Feb 2012 11:31 in reply to "RE: Comment by WorknMan"
MysterMask Member since:
2005-07-12

Apple not having MMS, multitasking, copy & paste, proper notification, a half-decent camera, etc etc etc.


Blablabla.

This was not his point at all. The iPhone was not about being better by putting even more stuff into a phone (with this kind of thinking, there is never any ground braking device ever because there is always a device somewhere that "has feature X" which the new device does not support. In fact, I'm glad that superfluous dinosaur tech like SMS and MMS are about to die due to the smartphones success).

You totally miss the fact that:
1) user friendlyness is not about putting any possible hardware extension or protocol into a device (I know because I still use the Nokia N95 which was legendary for having "anything". But the N95 is horrible to use so most features are not used at all).
2) that all smartphone devices nowadays are heavily influenced by the iPhone. Calling Apple a "follower" obviously misses the point. While they are not always the inventor, they are definitively better at then others as innovators (=bringing invention to market success).

E. g. http://iphonefizz.wordpress.com/tag/tablets-and-smartphones-before-...

If Apple's success is only because of their die hard followers, then please explain me why Linux - having at least as many fundamentalistic followers - never materialized in masses on the desktop.

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RE[3]: Comment by WorknMan
by Chrishas on Mon 27th Feb 2012 01:06 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by WorknMan"
Chrishas Member since:
2012-02-27

SMS is still alive and well, It's the biggest mobile revenue source:

http://mobithinking.com/mobile-marketing-tools/latest-mobile-stats#...

It's everywhere and just works unlike coverage/pricing problems with 3G/4G connections.

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