Linked by David Adams on Thu 1st Mar 2012 22:39 UTC, submitted by Andy Kosela
OSNews, Generic OSes MINIX 3.2.0 stable is released. Major features include: Asynchronous, multithreaded virtual file system (VFS) server, Better reliability, Better virtualization support, and much more.
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RE[8]: Comment by broken_symlink
by renox on Fri 2nd Mar 2012 17:39 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by broken_symlink"
renox
Member since:
2005-07-06

Too often I see Torvalds' minions spreading FUD about minix, general misconceptions etc...
Agreed: fanboys are annoying but that's not a reason to spread FUD yourself too..

Right now I'm using ubuntu which is forcing me to choose between having children in the future and resting my laptop on my lap because it goes well over 80 degrees C whenever I play any media or connect to my desktop over vnc.
FUD: micro-kernel improves modularity but performance isn't modular, so there no reason why performance would be significantly better or worst with a microkernel..

Linux has had to evolve to stay relevant. It will have to continue to evolve. So will minix.
I hope, but for now Minix has to evolve to become relevant not to stay relevant which Linux already is (more or less depending on your needs).

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jayrulez Member since:
2011-10-17

This is obviously not a performance issue, but a stability issue. The performance of my laptop is just fine. However, I was expecting less crashes... And these crashes seems to be caused by a driver issue. If the issue was isolated to a single subsystem e.g sound driver, then the system would be able to restart the sound driver in a microkernel design; not so in the design of linux where the misbehaving driver will most likely crash the system.

When did minix 3 start out? How long did it take for linux to become relevant?

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tuma324 Member since:
2010-04-09

This is obviously not a performance issue, but a stability issue. The performance of my laptop is just fine. However, I was expecting less crashes... And these crashes seems to be caused by a driver issue. If the issue was isolated to a single subsystem e.g sound driver, then the system would be able to restart the sound driver in a microkernel design; not so in the design of linux where the misbehaving driver will most likely crash the system.

When did minix 3 start out? How long did it take for linux to become relevant?


Have you tried to do some bug reporting?

Why don't you tell us what laptop you have? or what chipset/module/driver you were using, and if you could reproduce this?

I wonder if you're just trolling...

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renox Member since:
2005-07-06

This is obviously not a performance issue, but a stability issue.
In your post you were complaining both of a performance issue and a crash issue.

If the issue was isolated to a single subsystem e.g sound driver, then the system would be able to restart the sound driver in a microkernel design
Maybe, but I remember an issue with a firmware(driver?) where a SoundBlaster hogged the PCI bus, similar bus issues on a telecom equipment, temperature issues causing crashes, DMA issues (IO-MMU are still disabled because they're too buggy AFAIK): all these issues cannot be solved by microkernels.

When did minix 3 start out? How long did it take for linux to become relevant?

The Hurd was started a long time ago, it never became relevant despiste being "micro-kernelish", I wish Minix3 better luck, we'll see but remember that historically a better design isn't enough to be successful.
A lo

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johndaly Member since:
2006-01-16

Well MINIX IS releven right now. It is the only working open source microkernel *NIX we have and it is the only open source microkernel *NIX with the declared goal of working on embedded hardware. It isn't there yet but who knows what will come? I'm hopping that ideas from QNX and the HURD will find their way into MINIX. Just imagine having a free *NIX that is actually a RT kernel out of the box!

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Apparently the L4 family can be also described as Unix-like (at least in some usages), with open source flavours, and generally already very successful in embedded ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L4_microkernel_family#Commercial_deplo... )

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