Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Mar 2012 22:59 UTC
Apple And it was that time of the year again - Apple held one of its product announcements. This one focussed on the iPad mostly, and while some will call it a disappointment merely because virtually everything had already been leaked, I'm still in awe over the fact the newly announced iPad has a 2048x1536 display. My mind is blown.
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RE[5]: Still Crippled.
by nefer on Thu 8th Mar 2012 22:22 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Still Crippled."
nefer
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2012-02-15

This completely curtails its functionality as a post-PC device, because ding ding ding you STILL need a PC to make it all work!


I must say I disagree. Contrary to desktops, you don't have oodles of diskspace on a Post PC device. Being able to subscribe on podcasts - then forgetting about them - and have your disk consequentially filled with podcasts that you haven't listened to yet - or have forgotten about entirely - doesn't sound like a very attractive idea to me.

It makes much more sense not to subscribe them in the first place, and just get them when you want to listen to them. This way you have better control on what the storage on your post pc device gets used for.

Edited 2012-03-08 22:23 UTC

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RE[6]: Still Crippled.
by phoenix on Thu 8th Mar 2012 23:17 in reply to "RE[5]: Still Crippled."
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Until you really want to listen to that new podcast ... and don't have access to wireless/cellular so can't download it.

There has to be a balance between "download things when you want to listen" and "have it already downloaded so you can just start to listen".

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RE[6]: Still Crippled.
by bornagainenguin on Fri 9th Mar 2012 01:52 in reply to "RE[5]: Still Crippled."
bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

nefer suggested....

This completely curtails its functionality as a post-PC device, because ding ding ding you STILL need a PC to make it all work!

I must say I disagree. Contrary to desktops, you don't have oodles of diskspace on a Post PC device. Being able to subscribe on podcasts - then forgetting about them - and have your disk consequentially filled with podcasts that you haven't listened to yet - or have forgotten about entirely - doesn't sound like a very attractive idea to me.

It makes much more sense not to subscribe them in the first place, and just get them when you want to listen to them. This way you have better control on what the storage on your post pc device gets used for.


That's the first time anyone posted a reason for this default behavior that made a lick of sense! I still think its wrongheaded, because I think I should be the one to make that determination--not Apple. And even if your reasoning is correct this issue could still be worked around, much like the DVR people handle the issue. Apple could make it a setting for the iTunes application to keep at most X episodes. Or they could make it a setting to only use XX GB to store podcasts.

But not even offering me an option to subscribe unless I'm willing to dock the iPad to a desktop, a "real" computer is for the birds. Not everyone wants a 3G\4G account with a carrier (and the stupidity that is bandwidth caps) or will be in a place that always has WiFi. It'd be nice to be able to load up on podcasts ahead of time for those situations. Regardless until this gets fixed it means the iPad is for all intents and purposes crippled.

--bornagainpenguin

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RE[7]: Still Crippled.
by akrosdbay on Fri 9th Mar 2012 05:29 in reply to "RE[6]: Still Crippled."
akrosdbay Member since:
2008-06-09


But not even offering me an option to subscribe unless I'm willing to dock the iPad to a desktop, a "real" computer is for the birds. Not everyone wants a 3G\4G account with a carrier (and the stupidity that is bandwidth caps) or will be in a place that always has WiFi. It'd be nice to be able to load up on podcasts ahead of time for those situations. Regardless until this gets fixed it means the iPad is for all intents and purposes crippled.

--bornagainpenguin


I am utterly confused.

Where are these podcasts stored and how will they get on the device without 3G/4G or Wifi? They are stored on a Computer, right?

How does being able to subscribe to podcasts from the iPad some how automagically circumvent downloading data on 3G/4G or Wifi?

Like the other poster said If you willy nilly subscribe to a bunch of podcasts on a whim on your phone or tablet a) You fill up space b) You chew that precious 3G/4G bandwidth.

I do agree that apple could improve the podcast feature and they just might sometime in the future if enough users complain. I understand it is a showstopper for you but I am completely at a loss trying to figure out what your are getting at with the above point.

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RE[7]: Still Crippled.
by nefer on Fri 9th Mar 2012 17:28 in reply to "RE[6]: Still Crippled."
nefer Member since:
2012-02-15

Not everyone wants a 3G\4G account with a carrier (and the stupidity that is bandwidth caps) or will be in a place that always has WiFi.


Saying you want a Post-PC device without access to a wireless network is like saying you want a Graphical desktop without a mouse. Wireless, be it 3G, 4G or mobile, is an inherent part of the Post-PC experience.

Post-PC is NOT just about a smartphone. Its about a whole set of technologies and services that are finely attuned to and complement eachother to provide the whole widget. You either go for that widget or you don't. You can't be both on the bus and not on the bus. You can't have it both ways and complain afterwards it doesn't work properly.

Edited 2012-03-09 17:29 UTC

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RE[6]: Still Crippled.
by Kivada on Fri 9th Mar 2012 04:20 in reply to "RE[5]: Still Crippled."
Kivada Member since:
2010-07-07

Too much consumerism and hassle. I want my stuff stored and stowed in one place I can browse through at my leisure. So what if I forget about a podcast for a few months? I have a backlog, what about files that may not always be available due to being DMCAd or due to lack of enough mass popularity to always be available on some server somewhere?

Then theres the problem of post release editing, what if a news cast online gets pulled and edited and all you saw was the stream? If you don't have the file you can't compare the 2 to see if it was recut post release.

Edited 2012-03-09 04:26 UTC

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RE[7]: Still Crippled.
by nefer on Fri 9th Mar 2012 17:39 in reply to "RE[6]: Still Crippled."
nefer Member since:
2012-02-15

Too much consumerism and hassle. I want my stuff stored and stowed in one place I can browse through at my leisure. So what if I forget about a podcast for a few months? I have a backlog, what about files that may not always be available due to being DMCAd or due to lack of enough mass popularity to always be available on some server somewhere?

Then theres the problem of post release editing, what if a news cast online gets pulled and edited and all you saw was the stream? If you don't have the file you can't compare the 2 to see if it was recut post release.


If you hate hassle, then why are you willing to trade a small hassle for a big hassle?

Post-PC devices aren't made to be carrying a lot of data in them. If you really want to hamster all this data the way you describe, there are pretty good systems out there which allow you to, and which makes them available for streaming to your phone or any other device automagically without needing to physically store them on each of the devices you carry with you.

Edited 2012-03-09 17:40 UTC

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