Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 6th Mar 2012 23:27 UTC
Windows As you may have seen, David's been taking care of OSNews for a few days because I'm quite busy with work. Still, there's one thing I'd like to talk about: the desktop mode in Windows 8. I wish I could've added this to the first impressions article, but I only arrived at this conclusion yesterday: desktop mode in Windows 8 is Microsoft's equivalent of Mac OS X's Classic mode.
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RE[3]: Bleh
by bassbeast on Fri 9th Mar 2012 02:17 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Bleh"
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2007-11-11

I would add I've shown it to nearly 200 customers now and NOT A SINGLE ONE liked the metro UI, not even when i let them play with the test unit. they ALL hated it. in fact the closest i got to a "compliment" for the "Metro way" was this exchange with a little old lady named Ms Pipkin:

"Why that's a nice looking cell phone screen, is that Android? i heard that it was quite nice....what do you mean its Windows? Windows what? why that's just stupid! why would I want a cell phone for my computer?"

And from the mouths of the average consumer, wisdom. lets be honest folks, and cut the BS...Metro is a Cell phone UI made to compete with iOS and Android, you know this, i know this, does anyone truly believe that if iPhone and Android hadn't pimp slapped Microsoft around we'd be looking at this on a desktop? Of course not.

So lets call a spade a spade. Ballmer is scared to death because everything they've tried in mobile has been a giant flop, winMo, kin, winPhone, so he is throwing a Hail Mary in the hopes he can prove developers are stupid and he can trick them into developing for WinARM. There is a REASON why he's pushing metro folks, the same tech you use to make metro apps will let them run on WinARM and that is ALL he cares about because PC sales are dropping (I'd argue they aren't dropping because people are switching but because PCs have been "good enough" for years now but that's another story) and he figures he has enough of a lock on the desktop he can just throw it under a bus and people will take it.

But obviously the man has forgotten about Vista and what a debacle that was. my prediction is that users will NOT take Metro on non touch UI devices, which of course is the vast majority of desktops and laptops and this in turn will cause the OEMs to demand downgrade rights like with Vista. Win 8 might sell a few tablets but will otherwise be pretty much a flop, and if we are lucky Ballmer will be canned and one of the office guys brought in to right the ship. I can see what they are trying to do but its the wrong way and just the flip side of making winMo look like a tinyXP and just as full of fail. they should spin off their mobile so they can truly innovate without the "legacy" of Windows and lock in on their backs but going about it this way will just make Win 8 another Vista.

I'm just glad I've switched the last of my users onto Win 7 so we can just ride this one out like we did vista. Good luck Microsoft, you're gonna need it.

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RE[4]: Bleh
by phoenix on Fri 9th Mar 2012 22:33 in reply to "RE[3]: Bleh"
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2005-07-11

Oh, to be able to +1 a comment after posting in a thread. ;) You've pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Metro on the desktop is nothing more than an attempt to force development of Metro apps that can be used on the tablet versions of Windows 8.

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RE[5]: Bleh
by bassbeast on Sat 10th Mar 2012 00:25 in reply to "RE[4]: Bleh"
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2007-11-11

Thanks but what really amazes me is that NOBODY seems to be catching onto this, or at least they aren't saying anything. both Google and Apple enjoy these huge app markets while WinMo has always been...meh, and ballmer finally figured out ITS THE APPS STUPID so instead of shelling out hundreds of millions to hire app development companies he thinks developers are so stupid they'll go "If I switch to Windows 8 development, why I can write just one app and cover everything herp derp!"

But lets cut through the BS and talk turkey, x86 and ARM are about as different as a Caddy and a Kia. ARM is power usage above all, their IPC is incredibly low when compared even to Bobcat or Atom, and the RAM and storage compared to desktops and laptops is like something out of 15 years ago. if you try to write anything more complex than a fart ap without optimizing for the platform it WILL suck hard simply because the two arches are as different as different can be, and that doesn't even figure in the fact that ARM is pretty much where PCs were in the early 80s, with everyone building their own proprietary take on the ARM formula while X86 has been backwards compatible for ages.

In the end the only ones that can't seem to see the freight train bearing down on MSFT is the reviewers and MSFT themselves. but I work for the common man, i build him computers and sell him services 6 days a week so if i don't listen then I don't eat. And after showing Metro to over 200 customers, folks like Suzy the checkout girl, Brian the backhoe operator, Ms Pipkin the sweet LOL, all of these diverse people had ONE thing in common..they HATED metro. not just dislike, but actual HATE, as in they almost found it offensive. for them it was counterintuitive, irritating, and without touch input frustrating. in fact the one question i got the most wasn't about some feature or tweak or even "what does it do"? like I got with 7, nope what I got was "But you can get something with Windows 7 if I need another one, right?"..that's just sad, and even worse than i got with Vista which they thought was pretty until they actually tried using it.

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