Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 21st Mar 2012 23:54 UTC
Games As I made very clear in my thorough review of Mass Effect 2, I'm a huge BioWare fan. This relationship got very, very cloudy when BioWare released Dragon Age II, a rush job with no story and atrocious gameplay. Mass Effect 3 looked like redemption - until I hit the terrible, terrible ending. The criticism of the ending has been so immense and consistent, BioWare is contemplating changing it. Of course, this story is riddled with spoilers, so be warned.
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RE[3]: My take on Bioware
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 22nd Mar 2012 10:00 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: My take on Bioware"
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Plus ME3 isn't actually a sad ending, you do prevent the annihilation of every civilization in the galaxy, don't you? There's even one possible ending where shepard somehow doesn't die (although what actually happens is kind of confusing, but all of the endings have that particular issue)


That's one of the major plotholes: no matter the ending, everybody dies. Why? The mass relays are destroyed. The galactic fleet you assembled are now all stuck in earth's orbit! They will never reach home using the conventional FTL drive cores (way too slow), so they will surely end up killing each other in and around the Sol system.

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RE[4]: My take on Bioware
by MORB on Thu 22nd Mar 2012 10:13 in reply to "RE[3]: My take on Bioware"
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That's one of the major plotholes: no matter the ending, everybody dies. Why? The mass relays are destroyed. The galactic fleet you assembled are now all stuck in earth's orbit! They will never reach home using the conventional FTL drive cores (way too slow), so they will surely end up killing each other in and around the Sol system.


That's just speculation. How many people are in that galactic fleet? It's not a given they can't all manage to live on earth. Plus as they do still have FTL drives they can leave sol and colonize other systems.

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RE[5]: My take on Bioware
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 22nd Mar 2012 10:15 in reply to "RE[4]: My take on Bioware"
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That's just speculation. How many people are in that galactic fleet? It's not a given they can't all manage to live on earth. Plus as they do still have FTL drives they can leave sol and colonize other systems.


The problems run deeper than that. The entire economy and communication system was built around the Mass Relays. Without them - no economy. No transportation of goods. It's like destroying all infrastructure and communication systems on earth - I can assure you, all-out war will follow.

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RE[5]: My take on Bioware
by Drantin on Sun 25th Mar 2012 00:42 in reply to "RE[4]: My take on Bioware"
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Two of the species (Turians and Quarians) are not capable of digesting food from life evolved on Earth. At best, the food passes harmlessly (and fruitlessly) through their digestive systems. At worst, it triggers a possibly fatal allergic reaction.

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RE[4]: My take on Bioware
by flynn on Thu 22nd Mar 2012 13:32 in reply to "RE[3]: My take on Bioware"
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That's one of the major plotholes: no matter the ending, everybody dies. Why? The mass relays are destroyed. The galactic fleet you assembled are now all stuck in earth's orbit! They will never reach home using the conventional FTL drive cores (way too slow), so they will surely end up killing each other in and around the Sol system.

If you destroy the mass relays at the end, and the destruction of a mass relay causes an explosion big enough to destroy solar systems (like the one in Arrival). Then doesn't it mean that at the end Shepard essentially destroyed the entire galaxy and killed everyone in it? Shepard is essentially the single biggest mass murderer in the history of the galaxy.

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RE[5]: My take on Bioware
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 22nd Mar 2012 13:39 in reply to "RE[4]: My take on Bioware"
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If you destroy the mass relays at the end, and the destruction of a mass relay causes an explosion big enough to destroy solar systems (like the one in Arrival). Then doesn't it mean that at the end Shepard essentially destroyed the entire galaxy and killed everyone in it? Shepard is essentially the single biggest mass murderer in the history of the galaxy.


Exactly - that's what I mean by a story rife with plotholes. With such a carefully crafted and detailed universe, plotholes like this should've been detected by even the most cursory glance.

The fact that they didn't speaks volumes.

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RE[5]: My take on Bioware
by MORB on Thu 22nd Mar 2012 19:06 in reply to "RE[4]: My take on Bioware"
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If you destroy the mass relays at the end, and the destruction of a mass relay causes an explosion big enough to destroy solar systems (like the one in Arrival).

The destruction of a mass relay by smashing an asteroid into it does. On the other hand in the ending you don't know that the energy contained in the mass relays is released in the same way that as if they were smashed into an asteroid.

It seems to make sense that whatever the crucible did caused mass relays to unleash a big wave of energy in a form intended to interact with and disable only certain things, such as machines. And a portion of that energy is directed into a beam towards the destination relay, causing it to do the same thing in a chain reaction.

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RE[5]: My take on Bioware
by cyrilleberger on Fri 23rd Mar 2012 11:13 in reply to "RE[4]: My take on Bioware"
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"That's one of the major plotholes: no matter the ending, everybody dies. Why? The mass relays are destroyed. The galactic fleet you assembled are now all stuck in earth's orbit! They will never reach home using the conventional FTL drive cores (way too slow), so they will surely end up killing each other in and around the Sol system.

If you destroy the mass relays at the end, and the destruction of a mass relay causes an explosion big enough to destroy solar systems (like the one in Arrival). Then doesn't it mean that at the end Shepard essentially destroyed the entire galaxy and killed everyone in it? Shepard is essentially the single biggest mass murderer in the history of the galaxy.
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It is rather amazing that people can't see the difference between sending an asteroid on a mass relay and shutting down the mass relay system. If I were to make a comparison it would be like sending a big rock on a nuclear power plant as opposed to just turning it off from the main control room, the first one is going to trigger a nuclear explosion, while the second one does not (or we would know about it...). In this case that is exactly what has happened, in ME2: Arrival Shepard sends a big rock on a mass relay, and we get a big explosion, while in ME3 Shepard just turn off the system (as a consequence of controlling or destroying the reapers).

So yes, if anything what the ending lack is explanation, it is more a realisation problem than a scenario.

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