Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 27th Mar 2012 22:17 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems For years and years now (since the first G4 iBooks), whenever someone asked me for advice about what laptop to buy, my standard answer was simple: get an Apple laptop. Doesn't matter which one. Apple was so far ahead of the competition it just wasn't funny anymore. This past weekend, though, marked the end of an era for me: for the first time, I advised someone to get an Asus ZenBook instead.
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sergio
Member since:
2005-07-06

Yep, but Tom recommends a Zenbook to his family.

That recommendation is a terrible idea because it's a waste of money.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Yep, but Tom recommends a Zenbook to his family.

That recommendation is a terrible idea because it's a waste of money.


It's Thom.

I have terrible experiences with Boot Camp. Apple's drivers have proven to be horribly unreliable for me, with blue screens all over the place on an Air, MacBook Pro, and Intel iMac right after installing them. Battery life also suffers greatly when using Boot Camp.

As for waste of money - Windows costs money. Add in the license costs and that hypothetical resale value is no longer an advantage. I say hypothetical because that laptop won't be resold.

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sergio Member since:
2005-07-06

Excuse me Thom. ;)

If you don't care about price then you're totally right!

But I think most people do care about resale prices. We're talking about $1k machines... with that money you used to buy 5 Auses. xD

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

It's Thom.

I have terrible experiences with Boot Camp. Apple's drivers have proven to be horribly unreliable for me, with blue screens all over the place on an Air, MacBook Pro, and Intel iMac right after installing them. Battery life also suffers greatly when using Boot Camp.

As for waste of money - Windows costs money. Add in the license costs and that hypothetical resale value is no longer an advantage. I say hypothetical because that laptop won't be resold.


My impression of the bootcamp is that it is something that Apple is reluctant to provide rather than really putting their weight behind - a stop gap measure that allows people to transition over to Mac OS X rather than a real long term solution with Apple's full backing.

IMHO if you're going to be running Windows 90% of the time then quite frankly to hand over the amount of money one does for MacBook simply for 'ooh shiny' or 'great build quality' (what ever that means - a more sophisticated version of 'ooh shiny'?) is a pretty bad argument to make. If you're buying Mac it is because you want Mac OS X and thus willing to pay slightly more for a laptop to run that said operating system but if you're simply going to purchase one to run Windows 90% of the time then quite frankly you're wasting your time and money.

As for the operating system itself - as I've said multiple times the issue I have with PC laptops isn't the hardware given that if you spend enough time you can find hardware of equal build quality to what Apple provides but the fact that your choice is Windows, Windows, or Windows when it comes to wanting a mainstream operating system that is supported by big name software titles (games and applications) and good hardware support. If you like Windows then all power to you but don't try to muddy the argument by exclusively focusing on the hardware whilst claiming (through the lack of attention on the matter) that the operating system doesn't matter.

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lucifer Member since:
2006-08-20

getting macs to run windows. that is pure freakin genius.

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Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

I haven't had particular problems with Boot Camp.
But then I decided that I didn't need Windows on my MacBook Pro, considering that I have a beautiful desktop PC as well.

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henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

I've had Windows 7 on my MacBook for a couple of years and BootCamp is just fine. I do mid level audio engineering on it. Latency is an important factor and it's fine.

I virtualise all of my Windows installs though these days. VMWare Fusion.

I get the feeling you're just unlucky though Thom.

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fran Member since:
2010-08-06

Yep, but Tom recommends a Zenbook to his family.

That recommendation is a terrible idea because it's a waste of money.


Some new model Ultrabooks is coming out soon. Dropping the price to around $600. The biggest difference is going to be the aluminum casing is swapped for good quality plastic.
There is also some Ultrabook type laptops coming out this year that is even cheaper. They resemble ultrabooks in sleekness and power but comes with AMD cpu's. It will run the trinity APS's and will bring very thin laptops mainstream.

Edited 2012-03-27 23:12 UTC

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