Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Apr 2012 14:38 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Windows Phone is fighting an uphill battle. Microsoft still has work to do in terms of user experience and the big hardware partners like HTC and Samsung are starting to lose interest and putting in only token efforts. But Nokia is keeping the platform in the conversation. We're not willing to consign Windows Phone to the same level of hopelessness as the open-source webOS or the out-to-pasture BB OS precisely because Nokia is too big and too active a partner." Having a big partner is by no means a guarantee. Microsoft is doing whatever it can - both legal and should-not-be-legal - to get people to buy Windows Phone, and it isn't working. A brand only gets you so far - you need a compelling product, too, and as much as I like Windows Phone, it's just not there yet compared to iOS and Android.
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RE[2]: Doomed
by aligatro on Mon 9th Apr 2012 17:50 UTC in reply to "RE: Doomed"
aligatro
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2010-01-28

"That's not true. I use Windows because I like it.

IIS? Check. Apache? Check. Photoshop? Check. Visual Studio? Check. MySQL? Check. SQL Server? Check. Games? Check. MS Office? Check.

All popular apps, apps that matter, are there. No other OS gives you that. "

Who decides which of apps matter? You?

Apache, Photoshop, MySQL, Games(yes, games) and MS Office I can get those on Mac OS X. The only one I really miss is Visual Studio, but I use eclipse now, so it doesn't matter. Also, there is a way to install many opensource console and gui apps that are available for Linux. OS X has xserver and ssh client installed out of the box and I can easily run remote GUI applications on my server while controlling GUI on OS X.

Windows is a design mess compared to Mac OS X. Retarded and limited console, application files are stored all over the place when installed, registry, drive letters, need to inject new drivers/reinstall windows when moving to another hardware. No built-in and easy way to create full backup and then clone it to second partition. Idiotic analog of symlink that doesn't work with some applications properly.(IIS for example)

So, keep using your windows while I enjoy my unix-based hackintosh OS X. If mac hardware was the same price as pc hardware, Windows would probably no longer be dominant OS on the market. Unfortunately, Apple is a hardware company and get their profits from hardware.

Edited 2012-04-09 17:52 UTC

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RE[3]: Doomed
by gonzo on Mon 9th Apr 2012 19:34 in reply to "RE[2]: Doomed"
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2005-11-10

Who decides which of apps matter? You?


Why do you think people buy iPhone and Android and not WP7?

Could it be because of all those apps and games?

So, you can run Eclipse. I can run both Eclipse and Visual Studio. Or, I can run Safari, IE, Chrome, Firefox and Opera, easily, no emulator/VM needed. Can you?

It's that simple.

Retarded and limited console

Actually, PowerShell is great.

application files are stored all over the place when installed,


What?

registry,

What about it?

Since Vista, parts of registry are virtualized and stored in user's profile. Never had problems with registry. I know people run those optimizers, I never did, never had any problems.

drive letters,

Yes. So?

need to inject new drivers/reinstall windows when moving to another hardware.


Don't know about that, I moved recently to new desktop and all drivers were there, Windows 7 installed them for me.

But then, people usually just buy new computers with Windows pre-installed, all drivers are already there.

How often people move to new hardware anyway? Oh, please.

No built-in and easy way to create full backup and then clone it to second partition.


Are you serious?

Idiotic analog of symlink that doesn't work with some applications properly.(IIS for example)

Not sure what you mean? Care to explain?

Edited 2012-04-09 19:41 UTC

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RE[4]: Doomed
by aligatro on Tue 10th Apr 2012 03:48 in reply to "RE[3]: Doomed"
aligatro Member since:
2010-01-28


[q]
Why do you think people buy iPhone and Android and not WP7?

Could it be because of all those apps and games?

So, you can run Eclipse. I can run both Eclipse and Visual Studio. Or, I can run Safari, IE, Chrome, Firefox and Opera, easily, no emulator/VM needed. Can you?

It's that simple.


I can run unix gnu software on my OS X. Can you run gnu software without Cygwin on Windows? And oh yea it's my dream to use the worst browser on the market.(IE) I can easily run other browsers without "no emulator/VM needed".



What?


Some of the program is stored in program files. Other part could be somewhere in windows folder. Most of them write into registry. Making it very hard to move to another computer without breaking it. On mac whole program is contained inside one(!) folder. That folder is also acting as executable. It's super easy to delete, copy or move to another computer.



What about it?

Since Vista, parts of registry are virtualized and stored in user's profile. Never had problems with registry. I know people run those optimizers, I never did, never had any problems.


Part of the problem is what described above this question. "Most of them write into registry. Making it very hard to move to another computer without breaking it" Also, should something happen to it, not only will you be required to reinstall programs again, you might also get un-bootable system.


drive letters,

Yes. So?

When everything is under root, it's much better approach than drive letters. Your whole system appears as if it was on one big drive, while in reality some folders point to other partitions. On windows some programs force you to install most/full of the program to C drive. And you can only only can only install operating system to one letter drive.

Don't know about OS X, but Linux can be installed on multiple partitions just fine, because it doesn't care about letters only paths. Can you type relative paths with drive letters? I bet you can't.



Don't know about that, I moved recently to new desktop and all drivers were there, Windows 7 installed them for me.

But then, people usually just buy new computers with Windows pre-installed, all drivers are already there.

How often people move to new hardware anyway? Oh, please.


I very often get BSOD error when I move to new hardware. Sometimes it moves smoothly, but most of the time it doesn't. I upgrade computer parts about once every 1-3 years. I have 4 computers at home and when it's time to upgrade I also try to get rid of slowest pc.

slowest -> slower -> fast -> fastest.

So, I basically move slower to slowest, fast to slower, and new pc to fastest.

Also, sometimes I need to boot from harddrive from another pc. For example, when I need some program that is hard to move because of all settings and files.



Are you serious?


Ok fine they finally added it to all editions for windows 7, but still crippled(no backup over network) it for editions cheaper than "Professional". Most laptops and home pcs come with "Home Basic" or "Home Premium". Yea, you can move backup to network share and then back when needed, but it's all pain in the neck.

On OS X, disk utility creates iso-like image that can be mounted as disk partition that you can easily edit to your liking. You can restore it to usb drive or any partition on your hard drive and then boot from that.

That's actually a very nice feature of OS X. Most programs come in DMG images that have self-check mechanism for corruption. You mount them as partition and then copy application(usually a window pops up to let you drag app to app folder) to application folder and you are done installing it.


Not sure what you mean? Care to explain?


When I tried it, it simply didn't work.(files actually linked, but IIS failed to work) I needed to list files from symlinked folder into the webpage. While I could easily to the same on apache linux. So, it left me with impression that it might fail with another program.

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