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EVERYBODY (even criminals) should have the right for privacy.
Police states do not work(tm)
In a democracy you have to live with the fact that some criminals run free. That is the price of freedom. Everybody who thinks otherwise needs to get his brain checked.
The alternative is criminalizing innocent people, which must an _absolute_ no-go in a real democracy.

I in part agree with you, but surely you concede that there has to be a balance?

For example, if someone is going online and purchasing all the components needed to make a large amount of explosives, do you not think it is reasonable for the state (police) to be able to investigate them in order to establish their intentions/targets? They would of course then invade the persons privacy should they need to search the persons home if needed. I think this is a concession that is acceptable in Any democracy.

The person would then go through the courts as normal with the presumption of innocence until guilt is proven

We've never seen a police state with the massive amount of surveillance and technology at the governments disposal before right now, we don't know what the outcome will be.

Rest assured however, it'll most likely suck.

The article is full of citations to other news sources.


Who defines what is a perceived threat and what not? That's what the warrant is for. There is no reason to take that away other than wanting to cut corners at a huge cost for liberty and modern civilisation.


Those powers exist with court orders. They can legally get all the information they need in case of terrorism investigations. There is no need to throw judicial oversight out the window here. Read the article.


Ever heard of separation of powers? The executive branch does the investigation, the judicial branch does oversight by making sure the law is followed or the case gets thrown out. If you give all power to one branch, you might as well go for a totalitarian government. The three branches of government exist for a good reason, and it worked out fine during the IRA era when attacks on British soil were frequent and real, so why wouldn't it now?


I signed up with Google, not the government. If I think the government should know something, I'll let them know myself. Furthermore, Google can't jail you and has a much cleaner track record than the government. Have you even read the part about the libel laws in the article? Have you even looked at the article or did you just self-censor once you noticed Al Jazeera in the URL?

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I did read the article, but I have also read the draft bill (its only 30 pages thus far) which is why I know it was reported upon badly.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/about-us/legislation/etpi...

Of particular note, please read the section on the powers of the Secretary of State and the extension this bill will provide. And indeed on where the separation of powers actually occur under the UK's parliamentary democracy as you seem to have confused where that line is.

This means that when they want to use the power they can without any evidence.

Clarifying an old law could still be a good opportunity to change it for the better.

I don't have the feeling parliament is held accountable ever.

Google gives you the choice. If the government also gives you this choice they should be treated equal. But criminals would opt-out of course so what is the point again?