Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 16th Apr 2012 08:26 UTC
Internet & Networking "The principles of openness and universal access that underpinned the creation of the internet three decades ago are under greater threat than ever, according to Google co-founder Sergey Brin. The threat to the freedom of the internet comes, he claims, from a combination of governments increasingly trying to control access and communication by their citizens, the entertainment industry's attempts to crack down on piracy, and the rise of 'restrictive' walled gardens such as Facebook and Apple, which tightly control what software can be released on their platforms." That governments - east and west - are trying to destroy the open web, that we know. As for Facebook and Apple... Well, all I know is that it is completely and utterly impossible to check what information Apple has about you. Unlike Google (more here) and to a lesser degree Facebook, Apple provides zero means to see, export, or delete the information they have on you, associated with your Apple ID or otherwise. In 2012, that's just sinister.
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About walled gardens ...
by WorknMan on Mon 16th Apr 2012 09:51 UTC
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It's funny that he talks about walled gardens being too restrictive, because if you're not restrictive enough, then this happens:

http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/04/googles-official-app-m...

IMHO, there's room for both types of ecosystems, for those who want absolute freedom at the risk of having some app p0wn their device(s), and those who don't mind giving up some control to let someone else do the curating.

Edited 2012-04-16 09:54 UTC

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RE: About walled gardens ...
by ricegf on Mon 16th Apr 2012 10:52 in reply to "About walled gardens ..."
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2007-04-25

You get a company that sells malware protection reporting that they found unspecified malware in the most popular smartphone market on the planet, with a link to where to buy their product?

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RE: About walled gardens ...
by einr on Mon 16th Apr 2012 12:14 in reply to "About walled gardens ..."
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2012-02-15

[...] giving up some control to let someone else do the curating.

Sorry to dig up this old Ben Franklin quote again, but:

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Using "walled garden" environments involves trusting a corporation to know what's best for you, and while it may be in Apple's best interests to disallow third parties from doing things like clandestinely copying your personal data for profit, it is indeed only because it is what's best for them. It would be really bad PR if Apple was distributing malware and spyware on the App Store, so they are careful not to.

However, they could just as easily choose to allow other shady dealings, and those would fly right under your radar if you choose to just straight-up trust Apple.

They might want to use personal data and usage metrics for profit and marketing (see the Carrier IQ debacle), they could be strong-armed by governments or carriers or the MPAA to give up your sensitive data, et cetera.

There is absolutely no guarantee anything in a "walled garden" environment does not do things you would consider harmful. Combine that with the fact, as outlined in the article, that Apple simply does not allow you access to your own data that they keep on file, and the Apple environment is looking like a potential breeding ground for some very scary things.

I personally feel that doing some research and using some common sense before installing apps is a small trade-off for not having a corporation decide what's "safe" for me.

Edited 2012-04-16 12:16 UTC

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RE[2]: About walled gardens ...
by WorknMan on Mon 16th Apr 2012 21:49 in reply to "RE: About walled gardens ..."
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However, they could just as easily choose to allow other shady dealings, and those would fly right under your radar if you choose to just straight-up trust Apple.


Right, as opposed to Google, who always has my best interest in mind? If you use pretty much ANY walled garden, you're putting some amount of trust in whoever maintains it, and Apple isn't the only one pulling apps for reasons other than security. For example, Wireless Tether and other apps have been yanked from the Android market. Even with Linux distro app repositories, which I imagine is mostly run by 'free love' people, if some major corporation came threatening with a lawsuit because of a particular app, do you think that app is going to remain in the repository?

They might want to use personal data and usage metrics for profit and marketing (see the Carrier IQ debacle), they could be strong-armed by governments or carriers or the MPAA to give up your sensitive data, et cetera.


And this is different than Google, how exactly? Hell, Google probably has a lot more sensitive info about me than Apple and Facebook do. And why do you suppose they wouldn't keep some of that info under wraps and/or do anything nefarious with it? Because they say they won't? LMAO!!! Surely, you're not that naive?

I personally feel that doing some research and using some common sense before installing apps is a small trade-off for not having a corporation decide what's "safe" for me.


And that's fine... for you. But is it really up to you to make that decision for everyone else? For some people (a lot of people, actually), there's nothing outside of the walled garden that they'd have a particular need for anyway.

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RE: About walled gardens ...
by bouhko on Mon 16th Apr 2012 12:43 in reply to "About walled gardens ..."
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2010-06-24

Although it seems like the malware problem is bigger on Android, just having a "curated" app store doesnt make iOS completely immune to malware :
http://www.intomobile.com/2011/11/08/security-expert-sneaks-malware...

The thing is, Apple isn't only refusing malware to their store, they are also refusing Tor, uTorrent, Google Voice and so on. No alternative web browser either. They just refuse anything they don't like on completely arbitrary basis.

The worst part (and outright outrageous) part is that there is now way for a user to install apps using another medium (like by downlading and installing an APK directly on android). You have to jailbreak your damn device to be able to install what YOU want on YOUR phone. Seriously...

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