Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 20th Apr 2012 17:05 UTC
Graphics, User Interfaces Tobias Bjerrome Ahlin, an interface designer at Spotify, is a big believer in skeuomorphism. Whereas Apple is a strong advocate of this design concept, Microsoft is clearly moving in the exact opposite direction, while Android is in the process of moving away from skeuomorphism entirely, to a more digital experience. As a passionate hater of skeuomorphism in UIs, I found Ahlin's examples to be a bit weak.
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RE[2]: Ugh.
by dnebdal on Mon 23rd Apr 2012 09:49 UTC in reply to "RE: Ugh."
dnebdal
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2008-08-27

that stupid "shrink/grow" morphing crap on their UIs


That's not really the same thing, though. I agree that fluff for the sake of fluff is a waste, but feedback on actions is not fluff. And animations, if quick and to the point, are a good method for giving feedback: They are fairly ignorable, while also hard to misunderstand. And if those few hundred ms of animation (that does not keep you from immediately using another window) slows you down, well...

Edited 2012-04-23 09:50 UTC

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RE[3]: Ugh.
by bassbeast on Mon 23rd Apr 2012 10:10 in reply to "RE[2]: Ugh."
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How EXACTLY is this giving any kind of useful feedback? Your argument would have made sense on lets say Win95, where you had a complete new UI paradigm that people needed to learn, but who doesn't know that programs are going to the taskbar? Even adults who have NEVER used a PC before understand this because there is an icon and the name of the program sitting right there in front of them where it wasn't before. And I actually know of which I speak because i recently taught a 53 year old man who had never used a PC how to use both it and the web.

And the simple facts are if it were JUST this one thing? well that would be fine, but in Win 7 for instance we are talking about TWENTY different desktop effects! Its like MSFT and services, if you are running on mains with some monster hexacore then frankly you won't care how much crud they add, but when you are talking mobile devices all that bling bling sucks cycles and hurts battery life.

Honestly I wouldn't even care if MSFT made it easy for the end user to choose, but they don't, they leave it buried under 3 sub menus that the average user will never trip over and with ZERO explanation as to what these things are and what they do. If they gave the user a little wizard at first startup, or even one in ctrlpanel, something that explained what they are and asked if they wanted them? Again not a problem. but all this needless bling added without asking the user and without an easy and simple way for the user to understand what it is, where it is, and how to turn it off is simply inexcusable IMHO.

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RE[4]: Ugh.
by dnebdal on Tue 24th Apr 2012 21:48 in reply to "RE[3]: Ugh."
dnebdal Member since:
2008-08-27

How EXACTLY is this giving any kind of useful feedback? Your argument would have made sense on lets say Win95, where you had a complete new UI paradigm that people needed to learn, but who doesn't know that programs are going to the taskbar? Even adults who have NEVER used a PC before understand this because there is an icon and the name of the program sitting right there in front of them where it wasn't before. And I actually know of which I speak because i recently taught a 53 year old man who had never used a PC how to use both it and the web.

And the simple facts are if it were JUST this one thing? well that would be fine, but in Win 7 for instance we are talking about TWENTY different desktop effects! Its like MSFT and services, if you are running on mains with some monster hexacore then frankly you won't care how much crud they add, but when you are talking mobile devices all that bling bling sucks cycles and hurts battery life.

Honestly I wouldn't even care if MSFT made it easy for the end user to choose, but they don't, they leave it buried under 3 sub menus that the average user will never trip over and with ZERO explanation as to what these things are and what they do. If they gave the user a little wizard at first startup, or even one in ctrlpanel, something that explained what they are and asked if they wanted them? Again not a problem. but all this needless bling added without asking the user and without an easy and simple way for the user to understand what it is, where it is, and how to turn it off is simply inexcusable IMHO.



Well, they did change the panel in Win7, if only slightly. And if nothing else it's useful if you have a million open apps, in that it allows you to see and then remember where on the panel it minimized to, instead of having to scan through it (ref. the eternal discussion about spatial memory and file managers).

It's also really not that intensive. The GPU power needed for that scale-zoom effect is something tat would hardly tax a voodoo 3, and I've seen claims that aero can use less power than a 2D interface because it uses dedicated and more efficient display hardware for its operations compared to using CPU and 2D operations. Sounds plausible to me, but I'm sure someone has tested it.

And you can mostly disable it; unchecking "Enable transparency" seems to stop both transparency and animations for me.

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