Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 30th Apr 2012 19:17 UTC, submitted by bowkota
Legal Java creator James Gosling: "Just because Sun didn't have patent suits in our genetic code doesn't mean we didn't feel wronged. While I have differences with Oracle, in this case they are in the right. Google totally slimed Sun. We were all really disturbed, even Jonathan: he just decided to put on a happy face and tried to turn lemons into lemonade, which annoyed a lot of folks at Sun." Ouch. Also, doesn't jive with Schwartz' comments - might be illustrative of how bad things really were at the once great Sun.
Thread beginning with comment 516422
To view parent comment, click here.
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
RE: C++ forever
by pooo on Mon 30th Apr 2012 22:12 UTC in reply to "C++ forever"
pooo
Member since:
2006-04-22

Java sucks? Yes
C++ forever (for modern application development)? WTF are you smoking?

Seriously there is one language that has, on it's own, nurtured an explosion of great apps in the last couple years: *Javascript* + HTML + CSS3.

Please can someone realize this for a desktop environment so we can move forward at a pace that isn't bound by 1990's languages and technology (gnome3 sort of except not sucky like gnome3 and not with gtk)

For mobile development it is just a matter of time. With chrome for android 4, there is now hardware acceleration for css transforms and mobile apps will feel as buttery smooth as native. Plus app development time will literally be 1/2 developing in Java. The webkit widget for ios is sadly crippled but also getting better.

Reply Parent Score: 0

RE[2]: C++ forever
by Neolander on Mon 30th Apr 2012 22:47 in reply to "RE: C++ forever"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

You should give Qt5 a try. The guys behind it seem to think a bit like you. Swapping C++ for Javascript as the preferred language for small software, hoping that GPU acceleration will compensate the performance hit...

Myself, I really don't think that web techs will ever be capable of powering heavy-duty software like After Effects, Logic, or a serious video game. But hey, who knows...

Edited 2012-04-30 22:51 UTC

Reply Parent Score: 3

RE[2]: C++ forever
by kwan_e on Mon 30th Apr 2012 23:17 in reply to "RE: C++ forever"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

Java sucks? Yes
C++ forever (for modern application development)? WTF are you smoking?


The problem that faces C++ is lack of standardization of GUI stuff. However, with toolkits like Qt, which is an example of beautiful C++, it is a non-issue for the three major platforms.

Seriously there is one language that has, on it's own, nurtured an explosion of great apps in the last couple years: *Javascript* + HTML + CSS3.


So... who writes those Javascript, HTML and CSS3 interpreters and what language do THEY (ie, people more important than you) use?

Please can someone realize this for a desktop environment so we can move forward at a pace that isn't bound by 1990's languages and technology (gnome3 sort of except not sucky like gnome3 and not with gtk)


GTK is an attempt to make C more like C++ when C++ would have been a better choice to start with.

Reply Parent Score: 3

RE[2]: C++ forever
by shmerl on Tue 1st May 2012 00:20 in reply to "RE: C++ forever"
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

C++ forever indeed. Hyped stuff will find it's niche, but C++ isn't going away for high performance applications. You don't seriously consider using JavaScript for them?

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[3]: C++ forever
by JAlexoid on Tue 1st May 2012 00:48 in reply to "RE[2]: C++ forever"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

C isn't going anywhere. C++ on the other hand...

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[2]: C++ forever
by Beta on Tue 1st May 2012 00:52 in reply to "RE: C++ forever"
Beta Member since:
2005-07-06

Seriously there is one language that has, on it's own, nurtured an explosion of great apps in the last couple years: *Javascript* + HTML + CSS3.

If Java can be a pile of crap that encourages more piles of crap, wth is Javascript on that spectrum.
It is still a few years from being anywhere decent enough to write full blown apps that don’t churn and cycle‐collect through the user experience.

Reply Parent Score: 3

RE[3]: C++ forever
by kwan_e on Tue 1st May 2012 01:16 in reply to "RE[2]: C++ forever"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

"Seriously there is one language that has, on it's own, nurtured an explosion of great apps in the last couple years: *Javascript* + HTML + CSS3.

If Java can be a pile of crap that encourages more piles of crap, wth is Javascript on that spectrum.
It is still a few years from being anywhere decent enough to write full blown apps that don’t churn and cycle‐collect through the user experience.
"

I recently was involved with writing a web interface for a mainframe program using Dojo. Unbelievably, I came out of it wishing Java was more like Javascript.

There's something Python-esque about Javascript.

* I love Python as well. Between C++ and Python, everything is covered.

Reply Parent Score: 2