Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 10th May 2012 22:09 UTC
Windows The partnership between Nokia and Microsoft deepens. Updates to Nokia Lumia devices change the Marketplace tile to a specific Nokia tile - unheard of for Windows Phone, which is governed by strict rules. This is part of the Tango update. Is this an innocent change, or the prelude to fragmentation, or worse - a fork? While that's probably a little dramatic, this probably does worry the other Windows Phone OEMs.
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jnemesh
Member since:
2008-04-08

If Nokia keeps getting exclusive apps, it is going to discourage others from playing. Nokia took the Microsoft $250,000 bribe to become the dominant player, but Samsung and HTC are only making these POS phones because it was part of the agreement that kept them from getting sued by Microsoft over patents! (some would call this behavior extortion!)

So what is the benefit to other manufacturers to licence and build WP7 (or WP8) devices? NONE.

What are the chances that Windows Phones will start selling in large numbers? ZERO.

What are the chances that Elop will be loaded in a heittokone and launched out a window at the next shareholders meeting? Pretty damn good!

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acobar Member since:
2005-11-15

I think it was to be expected since Nokia, besides of course MS, is the only other company beating really hard on Windows Phone.

The problem for Nokia is: is it going to pay? No one knows yet. And if it fails I hope they kept one ace up its sleeve because they are going to need it badly.

On the other hand, Microsoft can play wait-and-see (well, more like: if it does not work first time, try again and again until it sticks) like they did on many occasions (word x wordperfect, dbase x (access+foxpro), excel x lotus 123, xbox x playstation, etc). They have a huge money influx from office and windows and, contrary to what many say, this is not going away any time soon.

Anyway, if it fails Ballmer will feel the heat. Probably "game over" for him (so sad, poor guy, NOT!).

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sukru Member since:
2006-11-19

I agree, Nokia has a lot to lose, while Microsoft has a minor risk here.

Actually Microsoft stopped taking any risks recently, and went on milking comfortable products. For example, on their Xbox division, except for bringing the occasional indies, they keep releasing newer versions of the same games (Halo, Forza, Gears). The once innovative developers division has bowed to OS division. Instead of bringing newer languages (like F#), and they started betting everything on C++, and essentially killed Silverlight and similar technologies.

I do not know how long they can continue without innovation.

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cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

> The problem for Nokia is: is it going to pay?
> No one knows yet.

I think we have the answer already. Nokia is down to 8% (!!!) world-wide market-share and it's going down future. Nokia makes billion loses every quarter. The first Lumia models did sell very bad. The lunch in US will not change that and even if it's a success in US its nowhere else and US is only a very small market.

I am going to predict that Elop will not survive this year in Nokia. He will be gone before 2012 ends.

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Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

Another episode in the "Microsoft always screwed without remorse its partners in mobile" marathon.

http://www.asymco.com/2011/02/11/in-memoriam-microsofts-previous-st...

Really, it is impressive how systematically they conned everybody for the last twelve years -and keep doing that.

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cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

Nortel, Novell, Nokia. Which other company can claim they killed the big 3 No, No, No's?

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TemporalBeing Member since:
2007-08-22

If Nokia keeps getting exclusive apps, it is going to discourage others from playing. Nokia took the Microsoft $250,000 bribe to become the dominant player


The $1 Billion bribe you mean...

and for that they got:
(i) the ability to be non-exclusive to Microsoft,
(ii) the ability to modify WinPhone as they like.

So they are now moving to their own App Store - which they already have for Maemo/Symbian - Ovi.

Don't be surprised if you find Qt on there too (which Microsoft would deny in their AppStore) as it is a force in Ovi and would allow apps to run on all 3 platforms.

So what is the benefit to other manufacturers to licence and build WP7 (or WP8) devices? NONE.


The whole agreement between Nokia and Microsoft was about getting market share for Microsoft at any cost. So it's no surprise that Nokia would do it in a way that would discourage others getting what benefits them. Ironically it ultimately hurts Microsoft by not allowing for network effects, which has been what Microsoft has always counted on to keep everyone under control.

What are the chances that Windows Phones will start selling in large numbers? ZERO.


That's where they have always been. WinPhone is a dead platform.

What are the chances that Elop will be loaded in a heittokone and launched out a window at the next shareholders meeting? Pretty damn good!


Well, not likely the next one; but it's going to happen at some point if he doesn't step aside first.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

You have no idea what you're talking about. None. Zero. Nokia isn't making their own app store. This is just them linking to their specific area of the marketplace which they've always had

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