Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 28th May 2012 23:32 UTC
Privacy, Security, Encryption "A massive, highly sophisticated piece of malware has been newly found infecting systems in Iran and elsewhere and is believed to be part of a well-coordinated, ongoing, state-run cyberespionage operation. The malware, discovered by Russia-based anti-virus firm Kaspersky Lab, is an espionage toolkit that has been infecting targeted systems in Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Sudan, the Israeli Occupied Territories and other countries in the Middle East and North Africa for at least two years. Dubbed 'Flame' by Kaspersky, the malicious code dwarfs Stuxnet in size." Since I'm not particularly well-versed in the subject, maybe someone can answer this question for me: if country A creates a malware infection like this to spy on and/or harm computers in country B, can it be construed as an act of war under existing international law?
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RE[5]: Act Of War
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 29th May 2012 12:35 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Act Of War"
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2005-06-29

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

And that's just Iraq. Had the west not invaded Afghanistan and Iraq under false pretence - mysteriously, nobody has been brought before courts in The Hague yet for that one - 99.9% of those people would be alive today.

But hey, we never intended to kill them, so that makes it all okay, right?

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RE[6]: Act Of War
by adinas on Tue 29th May 2012 12:46 in reply to "RE[5]: Act Of War"
adinas Member since:
2005-08-17

oh come on! Those people were killed by the U.S.?!
The 179 civilians killed in May (according to your link) where killed by U.S. troops?

A Shiite Arab person detonating an Iranian supplied bomb killing 50 Sunni Arabs is America's fault? seriously? America educated these people to murder each other the minute Saddam Husein's regime was toppled?

You can say America should have known better that these Arabs would start murdering each other the minute they got a chance but you know perfectly well the last thing America wanted after invading Iraq was to have bloodshed. They just couldn't control the blood thirst the indigenous population has.

Edited 2012-05-29 12:46 UTC

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RE[7]: Act Of War
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 29th May 2012 12:51 in reply to "RE[6]: Act Of War"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Right, because invading someone else's country usually turns out so well. Thom Top Tip: don't attack other countries under false pretence and kill the people living there. You'd think Vietnam would've been a good enough lesson to respect other nations's and people's rights, but alas, I'm guessing you're proud of that as well.

God you're naive.

Edited 2012-05-29 12:51 UTC

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RE[6]: Act Of War
by Bounty on Tue 29th May 2012 16:01 in reply to "RE[5]: Act Of War"
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2006-09-18

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

And that's just Iraq. Had the west not invaded Afghanistan and Iraq under false pretence - mysteriously, nobody has been brought before courts in The Hague yet for that one - 99.9% of those people would be alive today.

But hey, we never intended to kill them, so that makes it all okay, right?


I'm going to get very sarcastic here, and I don't mean it to be insulting, but it should serve as a contrasting example of what you and that website are insinuating.

This just in, Saddam Hussein has apparently never killed anyone, and never would have. The Kurds were actually living in paradise. Harmony has flowed across the middle east all these thousands of years. There was was no in-progress civil war in Iraq, stifled by mass executions of civilians by the government. W/O the US, nobody in the middle east would ever have commited violence against someone else.

I apologize for the hyberbole, but you get what you bring to an argument like this. I personally have been against the Iraq war (pro-Afghan war), however I have to admit, in the long run it's probably saved lives. It was not our problem to solve though, and we were arrogant for fixing some of their mess.

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