Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 8th Jun 2012 23:07 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems Two weeks ago, my grandmother passed away - the last grandparent I had left. As those of you with experience in dealing with deceased family members know, the funeral is only the start; the next part is taking care of the deceased's affairs, which includes going through all their belongings to determine what to do with them. I took care of my grandmother's extensive book collection, and while doing so, I hit something that fascinated me to no end: a six-volume Christian Encyclopaedia from 1956. In it, I found something I just had to share with OSNews.
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You know Thom
by allanregistos on Sat 9th Jun 2012 09:04 UTC
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As I was going through her books, I discovered this six-volume set of books, titled 'Christian Encyclopaedia', from 1956. Considering its title and year of publication, my prejudice took over and I assumed it'd just be lots of talk about Christianity's history, with science taking a back seat as soon as it contradicted with religion.


You know Thom, I just want you to have a quick lesson on theology and try to read historical proof how Christianity contributed to Science, instead of stereotyping them all because you've heard a priest raping a child, or Creationists tried to demolish evolution in schools. Christianity is more complex than that, you know, religion is not really the cause of all these conflicts, but basically the "HUMAN" behavior, and please do check your behaviour when talking to Christians.

It is very unfortunate that these days most of the anti-Christianity talks happened to be from uninformed people who knew nothing of Christian history whatsoever and judge Christians based on their prejudices. Christianity is more complex than that, and it takes a serious heart for anyone to know exactly "WHAT HAPPENED" in the past with regards to religion, conflict, sexuality etc.

Edited 2012-06-09 09:09 UTC

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RE: You know Thom
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 9th Jun 2012 09:34 in reply to "You know Thom"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Being wary of the *scientific* validity of a Reformed Christian Encyclopaedia from 1956 is a very sane approach.

Please do not take me for some anti-religion fool. In fact, I have no issues with religion at all - if people find aide and support with religion, then more power to them. I honestly don't care. In fact, I dislike being called an atheist because atheism has become quite militant and poisonous since the rise of the web.

I have spent a considerable amount of time studying the world's religions, and I probably know more about each of them than many of their followers do, so please don't get so defense just because I displayed a proper and healthy dose of skepticism - skepticism that I was taught to display by my *Christian* university, I might add.

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RE[2]: You know Thom
by M.Onty on Sat 9th Jun 2012 12:34 in reply to "RE: You know Thom"
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2009-10-23

In fact, I dislike being called an atheist because atheism has become quite militant and poisonous since the rise of the web.


There's a handy neologism to distinguish plain old atheism from that newer, more aggressive strain of atheism; New Atheism. The New Atheists (Dawkins, the late Hitchens &c.) consider religion as something virulent which needs to be combated whereever it is observed to exist; in someone else's mind, for example. An exact parallel is conservative and Neo-Con. The former is essentially personal, the latter is essentially aggressive.

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RE[2]: You know Thom
by zima on Fri 15th Jun 2012 23:38 in reply to "RE: You know Thom"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

In fact, I have no issues with religion at all - if people find aide and support with religion, then more power to them. I honestly don't care.

Too bad it often goes beyond "internal" - maybe not in the NL, you probably didn't experience it much. Might be not so in a place considerably less irreligious (say, in one of the few staunch EU holdouts), with considerably less respect for what's different. Might destroy lives, and more or less in the name of "good"...

In fact, I dislike being called an atheist because atheism has become quite militant and poisonous since the rise of the web.

"Post-theism" seems a rather nice, accurate, and not loaded term (at least for now). Also including post-Christian, which we undoubtedly are (cultural heritage, and all). Appears to be quite popular approach in Czech Republic or former East Germany - ~"we just don't care about this stuff much any longer".
Of course, as every post-smth, it sounds a bit silly, so whatever.


As for "Christian" in publications, there's also Christian Science Monitor (and that's "even" US-based ;p ) - from what little contact I had with it (its webpage), seems quite fine and dependable. WRT to some article bits...

My father (it was his mother who passed away) remembered how he used to browse through this encyclopaedia for hours on end

Uh, a victim of analogue Wiki effect ...like me with A-Z Encyclopaedia that I mentioned nearby (well, plus it was quite useful in school)

Human language, on the other hand, has an infinite number of "nuances", and as such, a "translation computer will never be able to give a sufficiently satisfying solution". Since I make my living translating texts, I can certainly attest to this very fact.

Though "never" seems a bit too strong word there (as you say, "the other remains highly elusive to this very day, and most likely will remain so for a long time to come") - but then, to how advanced machines we would still apply the "computer" description?
Also, I must note how misunderstandings between people are quite common... (BTW I think that Turing test should involve people in situations where they don't know they are being tested)
And maybe it's worth trying to contact some close academic descendants, proteges of the author.

I hope your grandmother had a good life ...and death. I think she will live on more than most, for example via this OSNews article (I wonder if she knew about the site, what was she thinking of it)

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RE: You know Thom
by zima on Fri 15th Jun 2012 23:59 in reply to "You know Thom"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

religion is not really the cause of all these conflicts, but basically the "HUMAN" behavior

And of course, not surprising to see this one...

It's really hilarious-sad-telling-scary that you are able to see ~"religion good, bad is from human nature" as a remotely valid argument ...while your own mythology says that the omniscient deity made us that way.

And, silly mythologies aside, religions are at least among most (if not the most) long-lasting and influential social structures, it's ridiculous to claim they didn't greatly influence us in all ways and directions - not only "they bring out the good in us - the rest is just human nature"

Edited 2012-06-16 00:01 UTC

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