Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 20th Jun 2012 00:40 UTC, submitted by rohan_p
Amiga & AROS "Icaros Desktop is an effort to build a modern Amiga-compatible operating system for standard x86 hardware. It's a distribution built atop AROS, which is an open source effort to create a system compatible at the API level with the AmigaOS 3.x series. I recently had a chat to the creator of Icaros, Paolo Besser, about the creation of the OS and why Amiga continues to inspire people today."
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sergio
Member since:
2005-07-06

AmigaOS is a single-user system without preemptive multitasking... having single address space isn't the end of the world.

AmigaOS 4 for example uses grim reaper to address application's hangs and from a practical point of view the system isn't so unstable at all.

And even if the system hangs, It boots so quickly and so clean that it's really a non issue (you can do a soft reset too, and It takes less than 1 second to do it, literally speaking).

Taking into account that AmigaOS 4 flies even using very under-powered hardware... hey maybe their ideas aren't so wrong!

I think AmigaOS and Amiga-like systems have a totally different philosophy than mainstream OSes... you can't judge AmigaOS from a Unix/orthodox point of view. It's a waste of time.

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MORB Member since:
2005-07-06

without preemptive multitasking...

look how wrong you are, be prepared for hordes of your fellow amigaos fans to tear you a new one

having single address space isn't the end of the world.

yeah as long as none of your apps ever manipulate any sensitive piece of information
oops the only real app you have is a web browser, sorry for your passwords/credit card numbers/bank account logins

AmigaOS 4 for example uses grim reaper to address application's hangs

only if the app didn't dereference some bad pointer and shit all over the memory but amiga developers all use assembly and C so welp

and from a practical point of view the system isn't so unstable at all.

I remember my standards to call an os "not so unstable" back when I was a dumb developer on amiga os and well lol

And even if the system hangs, It boots so quickly and so clean that it's really a non issue (you can do a soft reset too, and It takes less than 1 second to do it, literally speaking).

nevermind losing all the state of your apps, great usability
oh wait you have no useful apps anyway

Taking into account that AmigaOS 4 flies even using very under-powered hardware... hey maybe their ideas aren't so wrong!

"the hardware to run amigaos 4 is orders of magnitudes more expensive as an off-the-shelf PC while being also orders of magnitude slower, but amiga os 4 (an inept OS with no useful applications) flies on it"

amiga user logic

I think AmigaOS and Amiga-like systems have a totally different philosophy than mainstream OSes... you can't judge AmigaOS from a Unix/orthodox point of view. It's a waste of time.

"yeah it's expensive as hell and I can't do anything useful with it but look how fast it boots and opens workbench windows"
*looks down on winblow$/linux/maco$ users and do a smug, satisfied little smile*

Edited 2012-06-20 22:05 UTC

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sergio Member since:
2005-07-06

Haters gonna hate... BTW AmigaOS 4 is not for everyone, but It's a really nice OS, It's fun to use, fun to develop for and It's really different to the bloated software that We're used to use.

Just a silly example but... I can run Quake 3, Quake 2 and Heretic using different resolutions at the same time and switch instantly between them in my 733mhz SAM with 512MB... I can't do anything similar in my 10 or 20 times more powerful Macbook Pro with 8gb of RAM... OS X is slow even to switch between desktop spaces! (and Linux is the same or worse, dunno 'bout Windows pbly even worse than Linux)

AmigaOS gives us a lesson: modern hardware is ruined by layers and layers and layers of complexity and bloated software.

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Pro-Competition Member since:
2007-08-20

AmigaOS is a single-user system without preemptive multitasking... having single address space isn't the end of the world.


I have to ask - what are you talking about here?

1. AmigaOS has always had preemptive multitasking. That was one of the features that truly set it apart from the competition for years.

2. Having a single address space is the single biggest design weakpoint of the system, from a stability and security perspective. (It was forced by the economic realities of the time, of course.)

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my mistake!
by sergio on Thu 21st Jun 2012 21:04 in reply to "RE[2]: How icaros brings the laughs to x86 PCs"
sergio Member since:
2005-07-06

I thought It used cooperative multitasking like OS 9 had.

But no, It's true preemptive multitasking as you said. Sorry.

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