Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 28th Jun 2012 09:24 UTC
Google "Buried somewhat quietly in the noise of Google's spate of announcements today was an interesting fact: the Nexus Q, Google's new media streamer and first self-built consumer hardware, is being manufactured in the United States." Just getting their toes wet, for sure, but it's interesting it's Google making the first attempt to bring back production to the west. I won't comment on whether or not production should move back in the first place, but in all honesty, I expected Apple to be the one to make the first move here.
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RE: Comment by Kroc
by jefro on Thu 28th Jun 2012 14:40 UTC in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
jefro
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China still pays some of the lowest wages. They have no OSHA or EPA to watch out for workers or the environment. They still use prison labor and their policies on child labor is still one of the worst. They are not a free country and paying them at all enforced the slavery imposed on the people. They manipulate the currency and dump products. The quality of Chinese products still lacks any modern manufacturing facility.

I agree the US isn't the perfect model but it is light years ahead of that backward place.

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Gone fishing on Thu 28th Jun 2012 15:52 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
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2006-02-22

China still pays some of the lowest wages. They have no OSHA or EPA to watch out for workers or the environment. They still use prison labor and their policies on child labor is still one of the worst. They are not a free country and paying them at all enforced the slavery imposed on the people. They manipulate the currency and dump products. The quality of Chinese products still lacks any modern manufacturing facility.



You make some fair points, apart from the last sentence, China now has some modern factories many owned by European and US companies. How will China develop, looking into the future is a dangerous thing - maybe we will see the return of the Red Guard but I doubt it.

More likely the Chinese middle classes will grow and with increased industrialization Chinese workers will become more affluent. Chinese politics may become more open and technocratic as a way of managing the country in a more efficient manner. I'm sure that China will become more assertive in the world, its presence in Africa now is not unlike, the "unofficial empire" and I think it is likely that in parts of Africa it will gets its fingers burned like the old imperial powers.

Don't expect China (or India) to stay squalid and backward that is unlikely. If we de-industrialise as China Industrialists, well that looks like stupidity to me.

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by KLU9 on Thu 28th Jun 2012 20:44 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
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2006-12-06

As part of my job, I speak to people in Chinese manufacturing everyday. Strangely enough, none of them are prisoners or children.

YMMV.

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Soulbender on Fri 29th Jun 2012 04:45 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
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2005-08-18

The quality of Chinese products still lacks any modern manufacturing facility.


Many chinese manufacturing facilities are of a higher standard than those in the west.

I agree the US isn't the perfect model but it is light years ahead of that backward place.


Funny how the chinese model seem to attract so many freedom-loving, patriotic and worker-friendly American companies.

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by zima on Thu 5th Jul 2012 19:33 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
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2005-07-06

They are not a free country and paying them at all enforced the slavery imposed on the people. They manipulate the currency and dump products. [...]
I agree the US isn't the perfect model but it is light years ahead of that backward place.

Right, because US wouldn't exploit the US dollar for its benefit, never!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar_warfare
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_Diplomacy
(oh well, we'll how it all ends up... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_the_Empire:_The_Breakdown_of_the... )

BTW, the mess in China, for most of XX century, was largely brought - a bit earlier - by what they call "the century of humiliation" ...in which the US also had a major part - and what the Chinese very much remember.

The US which exports and promotes such slavery (another example: http://www.businessinsider.com/wikileaks-haiti-minimum-wage-the-nat... ), which dumps its "products" around the world (what do you think forcing IP laws on other countries is? Or diplomatic efforts to push through fattening drugs, US kind of medicine-injected farming, and overall industrial approach to agriculture ...despite how poorly it works out, with US having one of the poorer population health indicators in the developed world)

Edited 2012-07-05 19:38 UTC

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