Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 29th Jun 2012 22:55 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes "Whenever there is a conversation about the future of computing, is discussion inevitably turns to the notion of a 'File'. After all, most tablets and phones don't show the user anything that resembles a file, only Apps that contain their own content, tucked away inside their own opaque storage structure. This is wrong. Files are abstraction layers around content that are necessary for interoperability. Without the notion of a File or other similar shared content abstraction, the ability to use different applications with the same information grinds to a halt, which hampers innovation and user experience." Aside from the fact that a file manager for Android is just a click away, and aside from the fact that Android's share menu addresses many of these concerns, his point still stands: files are not an outdated, archaic concept. One of my biggest gripes with iOS is just how user-hostile the operating system it when it comes to getting stuff - whatever stuff - to and from the device.
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Comment by some1
by some1 on Sat 30th Jun 2012 00:37 UTC
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The problem with files is that they are too low-level. Quite often they are not the "user shareable thing", but guts of the application exposed to a daylight. Users don't care about files. They want photos, songs, videos, letters, whatever. They don't care if a video with subtitles is two files or one. And most people are not capable of organizing their files into sensible hierarchies. So while I'm a file format geek myself, I'm all for hiding files behind a higher-level abstraction, that's uniformly taggable, searchable (by metadata, not just "file name"), annotateable and viewable without a deep knowledge about the program that produced each one. Sure, standard file formats must exist and all programs should be given access to files (subject to user controllable access policies), so that it's possible to share stuff between apps; but just exposing files to the user doesn't solve the interoperability problem anyway.

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RE: Comment by some1
by tupp on Sat 30th Jun 2012 00:57 in reply to "Comment by some1"
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2006-11-12

Users don't care about files.

Children do not care to learn reading, writing and arithmetic, but we teach them anyway, so that they are not helpless and utterly ignorant. It takes less than five minutes to teach someone the meaning and hierarchy of files, directories.


They want photos, songs, videos, letters, whatever.

Yes. They want their files.


And most people are not capable of organizing their files into sensible hierarchies.

That is because they didn't take five minutes to learn about files and directories.


... exposing files to the user doesn't solve the interoperability problem anyway.

Someone who is exposed to files would probably know the location of an incompatible file and might be able to find a solution for converting that file and making it useful.

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by some1 on Sat 30th Jun 2012 04:25 in reply to "RE: Comment by some1"
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by Coxy on Sat 30th Jun 2012 16:00 in reply to "RE: Comment by some1"
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2006-07-01

Children do not care to learn reading, writing and arithmetic...


What a load of rubbish. Shut your computer down for a few hours a day, find a girlfriend and have some children before you start talking such sh!t.


Yes. They want their files.


No they want their things... they have no idea and don't care what they are... file is just an abstraction to make things understandable to humans.


That is because they didn't take five minutes to learn about files and directories.

It's because computers are their tools, not their life, like a computer is obviously yours.



Someone who is exposed to files would probably know the location of an incompatible file and might be able to find a solution for converting that file and making it useful.


The same person who you claim hasn't bothered to learn how to use files and folders?

Edited 2012-06-30 16:01 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by some1
by lucas_maximus on Mon 2nd Jul 2012 18:03 in reply to "RE: Comment by some1"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18


Children do not care to learn reading, writing and arithmetic, but we teach them anyway, so that they are not helpless and utterly ignorant. It takes less than five minutes to teach someone the meaning and hierarchy of files, directories.


Utter bullshit.

Some children don't care about those things, but given the right motivation most will be willing to learn.

I never had much interest in stories when I was a child but I did have much interest in how things work, so my parents were kind enough to buy me books explaining how things worked (from racing cars to how caves were formed).

Lets make a very generalist bullshit statement that isn't base on any facts at all. It all depends on what motivates a person.

Writing everyone else as a f--king moron helps nobody.

Edited 2012-07-02 18:06 UTC

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