Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 6th Jul 2012 22:42 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones Mozilla has announced it's ceasing development on Thunderbird; one more version will be released, and it'll be security updates from then on. "Most Thunderbird users seem happy with the basic email feature set. In parallel, we have seen the rising popularity of Web-based forms of communications representing email alternatives to a desktop solution. Given this, focusing on stability for Thunderbird and driving innovation through other offerings seems a natural choice." Makes sense - I mean, there's only so much you can do with something that needs to send and receive mail, and I can't imagine Thunderbird having a lot of users. Strange, almost Microsoftian obtuse announcement, by the way.
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RE[5]: I don't like this trend
by Soulbender on Sun 8th Jul 2012 08:53 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: I don't like this trend"
Soulbender
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+ It allows you having every budget, project file and workplan while offline (on trips, off site, while the company internet is down)


Why are you storing this in your email?

+ it allows you to keep doing your work while offline


Sure but here you equate "work" with "writing emails". I'd like to think that work is a little more varied.

+ it allows you a local addressbook & local calendar


Many email clients can sync contacts and calendars with online services thus making those available offline and to other apps.

+ it allows easy "new mail" notifications


Google mail has desktop notifications, providing the browser is running. If that's not the case you can often use a dedicated email checker to check for new emails.

+ it allows for easy writing or consultation of different emails (you can do that with browser tabs obviously


Some webmail clients (for example Zimbra) can do the same without needing to open each message in a new tab.

+ it allows you a "handmade" easy backup by just copying the mail folders/archives to a dvd or cd.


Zimbra, for example, can export mail folders as archives.

+ You can easily store each emails as single files (on most programs you just drag the message to the desktop and .eml file is created there. Great for creating a comprehensive "single issue" folders.


Or you can put them in a dedicated mail folder. I really see no advantage with saving them as files for this purpose.

can you give me any advantage of using a web based email interface for use in a "professional environment"?


No but I never said it was better. It can, however, be just as good as a desktop client.

And i would probably guess that the probability of having one of several random computer that i could use infected with a keylogger is probably much bigger than the probability


Right and a desktop client does not defeat keyloggers so you're equally screwed as with webmail.

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maccouch Member since:
2012-03-14


Why are you storing this in your email?


because you usually get this kind of stuff by email, and either you download it all "by hand" using the webbased interface, or you let a program do it for you... Also,because if by hand, it would be certain that i would forget to donwload something that would be indispensable at the most inconvenient time.

Sure but here you equate "work" with "writing emails". I'd like to think that work is a little more varied.


well, some times work involve writing emails or replying to stuff you get asked for. Most work these computer based days involve email communication one way or the other. Waiting for the internet connection to come back or doing your work in some other program and then pasting stuff is sloppy and accident prone.



Many email clients can sync contacts and calendars with online services thus making those available offline and to other apps.



Google mail has desktop notifications, providing the browser is running. If that's not the case you can often use a dedicated email checker to check for new emails.


you do realize that what you suggested are by definition parts of a "desktop client" right?


Some webmail clients (for example Zimbra) can do the same without needing to open each message in a new tab.


i've tried to use zimbra a long time ago but never sticked to it. But how can it show 3 or 4 or 5 emails at a time and you having a couple of drafts flying around without tabs?

"+ You can easily store each emails as single files (on most programs you just drag the message to the desktop and .eml file is created there. Great for creating a comprehensive "single issue" folders.


Or you can put them in a dedicated mail folder. I really see no advantage with saving them as files for this purpose.
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what i meant was a full desktop folder with other software files (excel, cad, what ever) and the emails relating the discussion you had with whom was involved.


"can you give me any advantage of using a web based email interface for use in a "professional environment"?


No but I never said it was better. It can, however, be just as good as a desktop client.
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this is the part where we fundamentally disagree. I agree with you that you can do it with a webbased interface, i said that since the beginning, i just disagree that it's as good or as "professional"* as local, full-fledged desktop client.

"And i would probably guess that the probability of having one of several random computer that i could use infected with a keylogger is probably much bigger than the probability


Right and a desktop client does not defeat keyloggers so you're equally screwed as with webmail.
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i never said that, what i said was that checking your mail on your laptop through a desktop client only is a hell of a lot safer than using several computers by webinterface, which is the general advantage web-based interface provide you. Giving my "paranoid" side, i think that that advantage is really not an advantage. Many people think otherwise. For a personal mail, yeah, sure, maybe they are right. For money-making activity that feeds you and your family? hell no, i'll take laptop carrying everytime.


* And by "professional" i don't mean "official looking" or "tie wearing", i mean that as a professional you shouldn't leave stuff dependent on others or behave in a way that doesn't minimize the accident or error probability of your work.

* And confidential. i was going to put on the advantages the local client encryption/PGP capabilities but unfortunately is so unused that it really doesn't count. (you can use it by remotely by uploading the keys to the webserver, but i assume you're not going to disagree with me when i say that completely moots the point of using it right!? )

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