Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 13th Jul 2012 16:15 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "If we then use comScore's figure for total smartphone users (110 million) then the data would suggest that there are 330k Lumias in use in the US. This would have been accumulated over a sales period of about four months." Ouch. For a phone with such a huge marketing push, this is quite painful.
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RE[4]: Good news!
by chithanh on Fri 13th Jul 2012 18:36 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Good news!"
chithanh
Member since:
2006-06-18

He's been dead wrong on his "N9 outsold Lumia numbers", dead wrong on his analysis of the "Elop effect" and dead wrong about "High return rates" on Lumia devices.

It is hard to get at relative sales data for N9 vs. Lumia. Care to show us yours?

I found this one from Norway's state company Telenor[1], which is based on sales from June 2012 and shows the N9 outselling all Lumias save for the Lumia 800. To put it context, this late in the game, when all N9 carrier marketing has ceased and before it was announced that Lumia wouldn't get WP8.

So it seems not entirely implausible that the N9 has outsold Lumia in 2012Q1.

He misleads, mischaracterizes, and bans anyone from his blog who proves otherwise.

I noticed that some posts were deleted from people who tried to promote their own agenda/blogs, or made off-topic or trolling posts.
A lot of posts which respectfully disagree with him have remained however. So the "anyone" claim is not factually correct.

[1] http://www.online.no/teknologi/mobilene_som_selger_mest.jsp?cid=p-0...

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RE[5]: Good news!
by Nelson on Fri 13th Jul 2012 18:52 in reply to "RE[4]: Good news!"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


It is hard to get at relative sales data for N9 vs. Lumia. Care to show us yours?


This is precisely the point. There are no N9 figures. This does not mean you make them up yourself. Using Symbian YoY sales
sas if they were QoQ and making up the difference with supposed N9 sales is not just misleading, its absolutely wrong which suggests N9 sales are severely ginned up.


So it seems not entirely implausible that the N9 has outsold Lumia in 2012Q1.


No way. The Lumia 800 is the flag ship in Norway, saying the 710 is getting outsold by the N9, even if true, isn't saying much. Besides, its only one country in the entire world. It seems like quite a leap to say N9 outsold Lumias in Q1.


I noticed that some posts were deleted from people who tried to promote their own agenda/blogs, or made off-topic or trolling posts.
A lot of posts which respectfully disagree with him have remained however. So the "anyone" claim is not factually correct.


Anyone who proved him wrong with sourced data was called a troll and banned. He allows a limited discussion, just enough to maintain a veil of objectivity.

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RE[6]: Good news!
by No it isnt on Fri 13th Jul 2012 19:17 in reply to "RE[5]: Good news!"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

This is precisely the point. There are no N9 figures. This does not mean you make them up yourself.


Uhm, I can't quite decide whether you're just an imbecile shill or a very persistent troll. Either you have some evidence that Ahonen's numbers are wrong, which you claimed, or you don't have any evidence that he's been misleading. At any rate, you're a very dishonest person and should be ashamed of yourself.

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RE[6]: Good news!
by cdude on Fri 13th Jul 2012 19:49 in reply to "RE[5]: Good news!"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

Do you read what you write? Or at least understand it? Here:

>> outsold Lumia in 2012Q1

and you try to spin a Lumia800 vs Lumia710 story and argue with Finnland? Hallelujah. I would delete your posts too if you spam my blog, annoy my readers and make yourself a fool with such a argumentation-culture.

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RE[6]: Good news!
by chithanh on Sat 14th Jul 2012 09:11 in reply to "RE[5]: Good news!"
chithanh Member since:
2006-06-18

"
It is hard to get at relative sales data for N9 vs. Lumia. Care to show us yours?


This is precisely the point. There are no N9 figures. This does not mean you make them up yourself. Using Symbian YoY sales
sas if they were QoQ and making up the difference with supposed N9 sales is not just misleading, its absolutely wrong which suggests N9 sales are severely ginned up.
"
Look, you accused him of giving wrong claims on N9 vs. Lumia sales. I showed that his claims are consistent with the little data that is publicly available. That the data allows other conclusions too doesn't make him wrong.

Saying he is wrong requires you to give the data to show that he is wrong. Or else it is your opinion vs. his opinion.

"
So it seems not entirely implausible that the N9 has outsold Lumia in 2012Q1.


No way. The Lumia 800 is the flag ship in Norway, saying the 710 is getting outsold by the N9, even if true, isn't saying much. Besides, its only one country in the entire world. It seems like quite a leap to say N9 outsold Lumias in Q1.
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"quite a leap" doesn't mean wrong. The only other Lumia phone that came close to the Top 10 was the Lumia 900. And this is at the end of Q2, mind you.

"

I noticed that some posts were deleted from people who tried to promote their own agenda/blogs, or made off-topic or trolling posts.
A lot of posts which respectfully disagree with him have remained however. So the "anyone" claim is not factually correct.


Anyone who proved him wrong with sourced data was called a troll and banned. He allows a limited discussion, just enough to maintain a veil of objectivity.
"
I have followed the discussions on his for some time (including the claims of censorship in his blog comments) and I looked in my browser cache for deleted comments. None of those I found contributed to the discussion in a constructive way. Instead, they were hostile, insulting, promoting their own websites, repeating falsehoods that had already been debunked, or attacking him on things he wrote in other blog posts.

I didn't find a single deleted comment that would qualify as disagreeing respectfully, with credible sources and relevant to the blog post to which the comment was made.

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