Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 20th Jul 2012 12:23 UTC
Apple "Back in May of this year, Internet security firm Bitdefender launched an app and service designed to help iOS users get a grip on what the apps installed on their mobile devices may be up to. [...] The app tells owners of iOS devices which applications may be accessing more information than they need, and identifies potentially 'misbehaving' apps, giving users an inside look at all the information app developers can gather about a user. [...] Seems legit, right? Apple doesn't think so. Or at least they have an issue with something behind the app that sparked them to pull it from the App Store this week." That seems odd. Why would they do such a thing? "Interestingly, Bitdefender did share some data that they gathered based on Clueful's analysis of more than 65,000 popular iOS apps so far: 42.5 percent of apps do not encrypt users' personal data, even when accessed via public Wi-Fi; 41.4 percent of apps were shown to track a user's location unbeknownst to them; almost one in five of the apps analyzed can access a user's entire Address Book, with some even sending user information to the cloud without notification." Oh, right. Informing users their data is wholly unsafe? Not on Apple's watch!
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RE[5]: simple solution
by Tony Swash on Sat 21st Jul 2012 14:13 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: simple solution"
Tony Swash
Member since:
2009-08-22

Right. When facts are against you, think "structurally" instead, with evidence collected in a dystopian future you made up from the arguments you made up. Structurally, you're arguing in circles.


What facts are against me? I literally don't understand what you are arguing. I would have thought my point was clear: in general one should be more concerned about privacy issues with companies whose core business model depends on collecting data about users behaviour than those whose core business does not. Seems pretty straightforward and clear to me. Just common sense.

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RE[6]: simple solution
by andydread on Sat 21st Jul 2012 14:26 in reply to "RE[5]: simple solution"
andydread Member since:
2009-02-02

Fact Apple runs an ad system called iAD
Fact Apple collects user data for iAD
Apple does not let you know any of the data that is collected. At least Google lets you know some of it. The point is no one has any idea what data Apple collects and at least with Google you have some idea.

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RE[7]: simple solution
by Tony Swash on Sat 21st Jul 2012 18:54 in reply to "RE[6]: simple solution"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

At least Google lets you know some of it. The point is no one has any idea what data Apple collects and at least with Google you have some idea.


What proportion of information collected by Google is known?

Does the fact that Google collects far more data on users than Apple, because it's business is collecting such data, mean that the data that Google collects that you don't know about is more than the data that Apple collects that you don't don't know about. Do you see how silly this can get very quickly.

Personally I think Google gets way more data from me than Apple and I am a heavy user of iOS and Apple products. Apple knows something about my musical tastes and what apps I have bought. I am not sure it knows a whole lot more. Google knows a lot about my search and browsing history, it scans the content of my emails and if I used Google + (which it has automatically signed me up to by the way) it would know about my social network, it knows what videos I watch on Youtube, etc etc. Google is the mother of all user data collectors. If anyone collects more data on me than Google I would be deeply shocked.

I am not very worried, yet, by Google's data collection although I find the way it personalises search results a bit spooky. But when I see people frothing up about something Apple has or has not done in relation to privacy I sense a profound case of double standards. If you want to bash Apple feel free to use privacy, if you really care about privacy watch what Google does very carefully.

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RE[6]: simple solution
by No it isnt on Sun 22nd Jul 2012 11:04 in reply to "RE[5]: simple solution"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

On the one hand, Google actually lets you see what data they have collected on you, on the other hand, what you call "thinking structurally", you've got a bunch of insinuations based on your speculations as to how Google's ad service makes them money. That's what I mean when I say you've got facts against you. You prefer insinuations and dystopian fiction to facts, as they better suit your fanboi needs.

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RE[7]: simple solution
by ilovebeer on Sun 22nd Jul 2012 17:31 in reply to "RE[6]: simple solution"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

On the one hand, Google actually lets you see what data they have collected on you

If you believe that, you're very very naive. You don't know what's behind the curtain but what's worse than that is not even knowing there's a curtain.

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