Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 30th Jul 2012 19:38 UTC, submitted by tupp
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless It might be a cliche, but sometimes, a picture says more than a thousand words. Over the years, I've often talked about how the technology world is iterative, about how products are virtually always built upon that which came before, about how almost always, multiple people independently arrive at the same products since they work within the same constraints of the current state of technology. This elementary aspect of the technology world, which some would rather forget, has been illustrated very, very well in one of Samsung's legal filings against Apple.
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Sabon
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2005-07-06

You brought up the spreadsheet example. Do you think a tablet spreadsheet app is as great as a desktop spreadsheet for entering data, copying data from other sources, and manipulating formulas? Of course not, textual data entry is a sore point for touch interfaces. You can mitigate some of the limitations with laptop accessories, but that's an implicit acknowledgement that a laptop design is better for some tasks.


First of all, have you read __anything__, actually read anything I've typed so far? If yes, you will see that I say that I have an iPad and a bluetooth keyboard.

HP now has a touch desktop computer where you can work on your desktop computer with a mouse and keyboard but just using your fingers on the screen. Even with the larger screen you need a keyboard and mouse on a computer. With an iPad, working with spreadsheets, you only need to add a keyboard.

I will ONLY admit that laptops can be better for some things if you admit that iPads can be better at creating things than a laptop. I said createing things, not consuming things.

I will admit that working in spreadsheets of any size entering numbers or letters requires not only a keyboard but a keyboard with a number pad (note that I have one of these that is also bluetooth and looks like Apple made it but it was made by a third party company and works very well with my iPad.).

Sometimes a laptop would work better. MORE often, most often, for ME, having a laptop would be a waist as it is heavier and cumbersome and feels like using a typewriter now after using my iPad with Apple bluetooth keyboard and 3rd party bluetooth number pad.

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Sabon,

"First of all, have you read __anything__, actually read anything I've typed so far? If yes, you will see that I say that I have an iPad and a bluetooth keyboard."

Yes, actually, it's what I meant by "that's an implicit acknowledgement that a laptop design is better for some tasks."


"I will ONLY admit that laptops can be better for some things if you admit that iPads can be better at creating things than a laptop. I said createing things, not consuming things."

Um...ok, although I never said otherwise. I just think your examples of web development and spreadsheets are terrible illustrations of a tablet's superior creative potential.


"Sometimes a laptop would work better. MORE often, most often, for ME, having a laptop would be a waist as it is heavier and cumbersome and feels like using a typewriter now after using my iPad with Apple bluetooth keyboard and 3rd party bluetooth number pad."


Alfman: "...We weigh the pros and cons between a number of competing factors: cost/portability/power/screens/data entry/interaction efficiency/etc. If the tablet adds up, then great!"

I'm going to assume that we are in agreement then.


I think we might both benefit from a light tablet/laptop combo, since for both of us - touch screens are not enough.

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Sabon Member since:
2005-07-06

Yes, actually, it's what I meant by "that's an implicit acknowledgement that a laptop design is better for some tasks."


So we agree that iPads (and other tablets to a lesser degree) can be great tools for creating lots of different things including spreadsheets with say a couple thousand lines (and maybe more) and large documents and taking and editing video without another device and so on.

And that laptops can't do some things that iPads, etc., can do, since they aren't as portable and might not have as high a quality of video/still picture cameras built into them or would be combersome to use. But at the same time if you have using very big spreadsheets then for now (iPads are only a little more than two years old) it is easier to build big spreadsheets with laptops and desktop computers.

Then yes, I agree with you.

"I will ONLY admit that laptops can be better for some things if you admit that iPads can be better at creating things than a laptop. I said createing things, not consuming things."

Um...ok, although I never said otherwise. I just think your examples of web development and spreadsheets are terrible illustrations of a tablet's superior creative potential.


No they aren't. My friends do this a LOT and are VERY happy with the way the iPad works as a device to remote into their home computers instead of lugging around their much, much heavier laptops. Yes they bring their bluetooth keyboards with them. But they are still happier than with laptops.

Your mileage will vary.

If you put on different filters on your telescope (visible light, infrared light, radio telescopes) you can see different things. If you are only willing to look at visible light, there are lot of things you will never be able to see in the universe. (That's not a quote but my own words. I'm sure someone else said it a lot better.)

Edited 2012-08-02 23:35 UTC

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