Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Aug 2012 12:24 UTC, submitted by henderson101
Legal "Comparing Samsung's flagship products before and after release of the iPhone & iPad, and how Apple's intellectual property infringement claims hold up." A terrible visual guide that ignores not only Samsung's own pre-iPhone designs, but also - and worse yet - the thirty-odd years of mobile computing that preceded the iPhone. Typical of today's technology world: a complete and utter lack of historical sense. Worse yet are the claims about icons: only the phone icon is similar, but Apple did not invent the green phone icon. This is a remnant of virtually all earlier phones which use a green phone icon for initiate/answer call, and a red phone icon for terminate/reject call. Claiming this deserves IP protection is beyond ridiculous, and shows just how low Apple is willing to go.
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RE[3]: Terrible?
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 7th Aug 2012 14:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Terrible?"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

And by "objectively" you mean "in favour of Apple", right?

More importantly - why should Apple get special treatment on OSNews? If I rag on Google or Microsoft - not a peep from you. But for Apple, I should get someone else to do it?

You accuse me of being biased - which I am, I hate companies abusing software patents to stifle competition - while clearly being biased yourself. Kind of funny, in a way.

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RE[4]: Terrible?
by henderson101 on Tue 7th Aug 2012 14:58 in reply to "RE[3]: Terrible?"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

And by "objectively" you mean "in favour of Apple", right?


No, I mean don't state your own opinion as being fact. Objectivity and a neutral stand point is the cornerstone of good journalism. You don't have to like what you're publishing, nor agree with it. Rather than trashing every Apple story and treating Samsung like they are the second coming of Jesus, why not say nothing and write an opinion piece once a week rounding up the evidence and as a conclusion, give your own opinion. That way the reporting is balanced.

More importantly - why should Apple get special treatment on OSNews?


Why should anyone get special treatment? Why should anyone be treated in any way but fairly? Why should anything be twisted in to a case against anyone else? These questions are what I ask myself when I read your extremist views. If you don't allow racism or sexism here, why do you tolerate and encourage other forms of hate?

If I rag on Google or Microsoft - not a peep from you. But for Apple, I should get someone else to do it?


Untrue. Go back and look at any article that mentions Microsoft.Net, Silverlight or Mono. You'll find me shouting about how great that tech is. I support what I like, but I don't let that rule my life, nor do I go out of my way to be hateful to anyone, no matter what their story is. God, I even like you Thom, despite your foibles. Your problem is - I state anything positive in this thread about Apple I'm a fanboy. What am I supposed to do with that? Really?

You accuse me of being biased - which I am, I hate companies abusing software patents to stifle competition - while clearly being biased yourself. Kind of funny, in a way.


How? To paraphrase myself, which part of "be fair to all parties, but seriously, I don't care either way and think they both garbage" wasn't clear? We're not talking about Apple vs Samsung here any more. We're talking about real journalism vs gutter press ambulance chasing. Yeah? Please take a break and write something less irrational. Honestly, as a journalist - when you're good, you're good. When it descends in to Thom vs the World (tm) it's pretty boring for the people on the fringes that just want to read something, anything, with an ounce of integrity.

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RE[5]: Terrible?
by Fergy on Wed 8th Aug 2012 08:14 in reply to "RE[4]: Terrible?"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

No, I mean don't state your own opinion as being fact.

Then quote each opinion of Thom and rebut it with facts.

_My_ opinion: You should not be able to use patents to protect yourself from competing products. I can not remember a time when Apple had to protect an invention they patented. Therefore I think all lawsuits Apple has started are anti competitive and just pure evil.

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RE[4]: Terrible?
by phoudoin on Tue 7th Aug 2012 16:23 in reply to "RE[3]: Terrible?"
phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

More importantly - why should Apple get special treatment on OSNews?


Because Apple is not a company but a church?
;-)

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RE[5]: Terrible?
by Tony Swash on Tue 7th Aug 2012 17:34 in reply to "RE[4]: Terrible?"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

The sad thing I see is that people who seem to genuinely care about technology, about innovation and about ethics in business are seduced by a company as shitty as Samsung. It simply isn't true that your enemy's enemy is your friend.

Samsung has a history of copying other companies products.

http://www.businessinsider.com/samsung-copies-2012-1?op=1

The hyper vocal critics of Apple deep inability to see what shifty and sleazy company they are keeping is connected to a deeper and more pernicious ideology which is the constant attempts to deny that Apple is innovative, and is in fact one of the most innovative tech companies around and as a result has a lot more IP which is relevant and cutting edge at stake than many other companies.

A good example of this is the utter refusal to accept the blindingly obvious which is that the iPhone was an inflection product that changed the smart phone industry and the market completely, and which all other smart makers struggled to deal with. Instead we get tedious and facile and seemingly endless dredging up of this photo, this product, this bit of history just prove that the iPhone was not an inflection point an game changer. Its intellectually vacuous.

Almost all existing handset makers have failed to respond to the iPhone successfully and have as a result suffered intense commercial maginilsation but Samsung, building on it's ruthless commitment to copy successful products, did the only thing open to them: they copied Apple wholesale, the look, the design, the packaging.

Of course if one picks apart the minutiae of that copying it can be made to sound absurd, a shape here, a colour here, a look there. But that's just the result of forensic pedantry. Just take one step back and it is utterly obvious, Samsung responded to the threat and the disruption of the iPhone (and subsequently the iPad) by copying it. It was a tactic they had used before but this time someone has stood up to them, And anybody concerned with technology, ethics and the future of innovation should Applaud Apple for doing that.

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RE[5]: Terrible?
by MysterMask on Wed 8th Aug 2012 03:56 in reply to "RE[4]: Terrible?"
MysterMask Member since:
2005-07-12

Because Apple is not a company but a church?
;-)


The fervour of some OS News folk (yes, I mean you, Thom) to put every Apple story into a holy war (the good agains the bad) looks way more religious to me.

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